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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

I know how much you hate hearing this, as do I, but both these aspects get much better. However, this gets better very quickly, no "wait half the show" nonsense.

Comparring, say, the Sweets Dopant to... Weather, you can deffinitely see how different the monster designs became and evolved. They became much less ridiculous and sleeker. W is a series that almost tries to go camp very early before realising it's much better at telling a more.... I don't want to say serious or mature since thsoe words have morphed into a different meaning on the internet, but I more focused and deliberate story. By the time the first movie happens (about episode 16 I believe) the contrast between the story told at the beginning and at that point is noticable. There's less overt filler and more serious character study and forward plot motion. If I had to compare the tonal shift, I'd say W reminds me a lot of Batman The Animated Series in that if you look at that show, it's got a bit of camp and really silly episodes (Christmas with the Joker, anyone?) before it gets to the point fans remember it being. (Two-Face) I mean, without spoiling anything should you one day decide to revisit it, the stuff with Skull and the backstory of W gets really, REALLY good. The plot gets a lot more developed very quickly.

I'm glad you like OOO, it's my third favourite show. (sometimes second)

Should I watch the first W movie and jump in at episode 16 then? I saw enough for the main villain with his huge hat to be introduced so it isn't like I'd be jumping in blind.

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Originally Posted by ryan

Okay, the CGI in the first episodes IS bad, and is used too much. But it's also no worse than the TERRIBLE CG effects of Kuuga transforming. It either gets better as W goes on, or they use it less so it doesn't stand out as much.

Most of the Dopant designs ARE rubbish. But W isn't, and Accel certainly isn't. And some of them are really good, like Nasca, and of course, Skull. the Fangires of Kiva and the Imagin of Den-O are far better designs, in general, of course just like there are winners in W, there are losers in Kiva and Den-O. And of course, there is NO BETTER Rider design than Kiva.

If those are your only criteria for enjoying a show though, I think you're going to have a rough time with all the Kamen Rider shows. I know people have told you to lower your expectations about things, and I may have as well. I don't want to come off saying you need to do that, but keep in mind that sometimes these suits are awkward, or in Kiva's case, downright heavy, it can be difficult to pull off some poses. There are reasons why the giant mech fights in Sentai look like dudes in cardboard suits with all the mobility of a G1 Transformer.

I would say the fighting is better in Fourze. I get the impression that Shotaro is only semi trained in fighting, if that, unlike Skull. Whereas Gentaro fights out of suit quite a bit, and gives the impression that he is more trained. And then Meteor clearly has more training, so his fights are even better that Fourzes.

I don't remember how Eiji was in OOO proper, but in the Megamax movie, I felt like they really let Eiji and Ankh fight a lot out of suit, and it was very convincing to me.



Huh. I don't know what I saw that you didn't, but I don't remember feeling as lost and confused as I feel you're saying you are. Maybe I read a wiki article before I finish the show, so I had a foundation for what they were talking about?

Kuuga is also like fifteen years old though so it has some level of an excuse.

And I dunno what it was about W, it was just like the fights had no punch, the physical fighting seemed to pad out the fights rather than serve a purpose sorta like how in a wrestling match they just slap each other until one of them does a finisher.

And you could say that is true of ALL fights in this genre and I'd agree but when Kuuga is say, getting thrown through walls or blown up or whatever else I at least can assume he is getting his ass kicked.

A lot of the fights from W that I remember basically involved people wailing on each other til W did the correct Memory Combo to finish the job.