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Originally Posted by Zolda

There's a standard (or perhaps the standard) that has been established in the Kamen Rider franchise since the very first entry. A heroine, in this franchise, is almost always (if not always) a young woman who is a peer of the protagonists, who exposes her skin to the risks and dangers of the battlefield, yet is able to stand strong and maintain her courage, provides emotional support to the protagonists, and nurtures the bonds between them. Heroines are often the ones who mediate and soften the interpersonal conflicts and misunderstandings between the protagonists, and sometimes even act as diplomatic representations of the protagonists' side. The strength and courage of the heroines don't come from muscles nor power, but from their nurturing nature.

• Mako and Chieko are mostly just comedic.
• Sakurako mostly translated Unidentified Lifeform texts.
• Hina's strength literally also comes from muscles and power.
• Akari mostly did science, while Onari was the emotional support.
• Tsukuyomi was paranoid about Sougo betraying her.
• Sakura isn't nurturing at all.

Maybe you could say they're all "bad" heroines except for Hina who happens to fit the nurturing description, but the point is that the Showa Era mould isn't necessarily applicable to modern heroines. Personally, I like the first 4 in the above list, as they still contributed to the hero's success through other means and Hina is maybe one of the best candidates to be both a heroine and a Rider.

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Originally Posted by Zolda

This philosophy of "feminine/gentle strength" was even elegantly elaborated in several scenes and dialogue lines in KR Gaim. Damn you Urobuchi! Haha.

The show where the heroine becomes a living trophy for 2 Riders to fight over.... Hmm, not exactly what I'd call elegant. I think Mesnick would have more to say on this matter.

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Originally Posted by Zolda

If Rinne is not the heroine, then who? Who? Please enlighten me on this one. This is one of the reasons why I've concluded that Gotchard's story is so hollow, vapid, and lethargic. This is one of the reasons why I've concluded that Gotchard is having an identity crisis. It can't even decide who the heroine is! Let that sink in.

Officially, nobody. Does Kamen Rider Gotchard need a heroine? If emotional support is what you value in a heroine, then Houtarou already has over 100 friends he can get that from. A heroine would just be redundant here. Call Flayrose the heroine if you want, it doesn't matter. Alternatively, it's easier to think that Houtarou and Rinne are each other's heroine, since they fulfill both functions of providing and receiving.

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Originally Posted by Zolda

I've also never had any problem with a secondary Rider having only 2 forms, or rather, 2 base forms in KR Majade's case. KR Ixa, KR Accel, KR Birth, KR Meteor, KR Beast, KR Baron (excluding his kaijin form), KR Mach (excluding the Chaser Mach and Mach Chaser forms) also had 2 forms.

Depends on how you define forms. IXA had Save Mode in 1986, but then it became obsolete to Burst Mode. Birth is a weird one, since all his changes are attachments. Beast has 6 forms if you count his Mantles. Balon has Banana, Mango and Lemon Energy Arms, although the last one was apparently added due to popularity. Why would you exclude Chaser Mach, when it's basically his Final Form?

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Originally Posted by Paladin

Seems there is a familiar face showing up in this years' movie...

Hell yeah, the OG DecaDriver is back!

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

That's also not getting into how just... terrible this statement reads at all. And your attempt at elaborating still does not make this read any better btw.

You're going to refute this point btw, and tell me I'm wrong. I really don't care tbh. But I know what I see because I see the same in a lot of Rider fans. And I'm just putting this out here for anyone who comes across it to see. Because it's a damn problem in this fandom that needs to be addressed and it's tiring to see people try and promote their personal distaste for a series as objective criticism. A rigidness of people unwilling to realize that times are changing and that things will be different than what they originally saw.

Agreed. It's basically gatekeeping, like, "a true Primary Rider wouldn't do this", or, "a true heroine must do this". Each year, KR shows us a new story with new characters, so of course they have to function a little differently.

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Originally Posted by Zolda

Everything has its own established standards/aspects. Some of those aspects can be changed, and some can't be changed due to being fundamental. Some change is good, and some is bad. If I want to change a franchise merely for the sake of changing it, then I should replace Kamen Rider's main character with a young woman, and replace Precure's main characters with boys, effectively rebranding the franchise as Handsome Cure. They're changes, right? They're "innovative", right? Maybe someday it will happen when humanity decide that left is right and right is left.

A female Secondary Rider isn't breaking fundamentals though, especially since Rinne isn't a heroine. Secondary Riders weren't even a thing until 2001, so the concept can be experimented with depending on what the narrative requires of them. Honestly, while the reveal of Majade was surprising, Amelia becoming a Red Ranger and leader was the most surprising.

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Originally Posted by LevisNox

Compare to kamen rider Jeane who is a third rider and is just great, hell compare her to Rinne she feels more like a secondary rider

Jeanne's focus was forced by Kinoshita as revenge for Toei denying him a female Primary Rider. She's also a pretentious edgy teenager, so I can totally understand why she appeals to you. No offense.

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Originally Posted by LevisNox

On top of that alchemy isn't alchemy, but rather its now friendship and the fact Gotachard form is rainbow WHICH MAKES NO SENSE in every aspect of the show

Rainbows don't make sense? What do you think the "Niji" in Nijigon means?

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Originally Posted by LevisNox

You can say all you want i complain but my criticism is very much true

Criticism is subjective.

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Originally Posted by DaikaijuSokogeki01

Also, it is impossible for Majade to be the worst secondary Rider in a franchise where DiEnd or Beast exist.

Or Live.