[JustAfooL]

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Originally Posted by Zolda

If Rinne is not the heroine, then who? Who? Please enlighten me on this one. This is one of the reasons why I've concluded that Gotchard's story is so hollow, vapid, and lethargic. This is one of the reasons why I've concluded that Gotchard is having an identity crisis. It can't even decide who the heroine is! Let that sink in.

Well, if we look at the scene when Haruto stands up to pseudo-Eternal, who?s the person that gives him the final shove to fight on? Whose words get the most emphasis at that moment?

There?s your answer.

[Zolda]

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Originally Posted by Paladin

Seems there is a familiar face showing up in this years' movie...

Finally! Gotchard is now officially a crossover/anniversary series. Congratulations!

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

So what you're saying is franchises can't change or be experimental?

But also this and all of your writing thus far has just given me one point of view of this entire situation. You have a vision of what Kamen Rider should be in your head and anything that strays from that vision is "bad writing". Just say that a Rider series isn't for you and just move on at this point.

That's also not getting into how just... terrible this statement reads at all. And your attempt at elaborating still does not make this read any better btw.

You're going to refute this point btw, and tell me I'm wrong. I really don't care tbh. But I know what I see because I see the same in a lot of Rider fans. And I'm just putting this out here for anyone who comes across it to see. Because it's a damn problem in this fandom that needs to be addressed and it's tiring to see people try and promote their personal distaste for a series as objective criticism. A rigidness of people unwilling to realize that times are changing and that things will be different than what they originally saw.

When and where did I say or imply that a franchise can't change nor be experimental? Of course they can change and be experimental. My point is not about changing nor not changing something per se. My point is about how those changes fit the already established standards. I even stated in my previous comment that a heroine-Rider hybrid character can be done, albeit very very very difficult since it will have to fill 2 important roles at once.

Everything has its own established standards/aspects. Some of those aspects can be changed, and some can't be changed due to being fundamental. Some change is good, and some is bad. If I want to change a franchise merely for the sake of changing it, then I should replace Kamen Rider's main character with a young woman, and replace Precure's main characters with boys, effectively rebranding the franchise as Handsome Cure. They're changes, right? They're "innovative", right? Maybe someday it will happen when humanity decide that left is right and right is left.

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Originally Posted by JustAfooL

Well, if we look at the scene when Haruto stands up to pseudo-Eternal, who?s the person that gives him the final shove to fight on? Whose words get the most emphasis at that moment?

There?s your answer.

Haruto? You mean Houtarou? Unless you refer to Houtarou as Haruto due to Gotchard being as vapid as Wizard was, haha.

Yes, you could be right. Kajiki is Houtarou's heroine, and Hijiri is Kajiki's heroine. It's a fractal multiplication of heroines! Haha.

Kajiki's face when he finally receives the epiphany that he's actually the heroine in this story:

[Pineapple924]

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Originally Posted by Paladin

Seems there is a familiar face showing up in this years' movie...

Interesting that he's using the Vanilla DecaDriver (probably updated with new sounds so they can sell it)

I assume this also ties into those scans that show Legend's rider cards taking on the Decade formating

[LevisNox]

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

So what you're saying is franchises can't change or be experimental?

But also this and all of your writing thus far has just given me one point of view of this entire situation. You have a vision of what Kamen Rider should be in your head and anything that strays from that vision is "bad writing". Just say that a Rider series isn't for you and just move on at this point.



That's also not getting into how just... terrible this statement reads at all. And your attempt at elaborating still does not make this read any better btw.

You're going to refute this point btw, and tell me I'm wrong. I really don't care tbh. But I know what I see because I see the same in a lot of Rider fans. And I'm just putting this out here for anyone who comes across it to see. Because it's a damn problem in this fandom that needs to be addressed and it's tiring to see people try and promote their personal distaste for a series as objective criticism. A rigidness of people unwilling to realize that times are changing and that things will be different than what they originally saw.

Its not people distaste with kamen rider, Reiwa has been super lackluster and tries to pander to much to the kids

Kamen rider even very early was more of a pre teen to teen type of show with Garo being the adult focus season

Saber was bad, Revice was partly bad cause of the rewriting

Gotachard is just a mess of a season

Alchemy isn't alchemy the whole friendship angle of gotachard is vapid and weak

Compare it to Fourze which is about space and friendship. That show was good

Rinne is by far THE WORST SECONDRY RIDER her story is only link by the fact her father made the driver, her debut as a kamen rider is lock to a film she is gone for a few eps

And most likely her final form that might appear is going to be a retool of wind for someone who has been a alchemist longer you think she be using that alchmey like a pro in combat but doesn't

Compare to kamen rider Jeane who is a third rider and is just great, hell compare her to Rinne she feels more like a secondary rider

On top of that alchemy isn't alchemy, but rather its now friendship and the fact Gotachard form is rainbow WHICH MAKES NO SENSE in every aspect of the show

Like seriously

Zero two- Apex of tech
Saber Xcross-Union of all swordsman

Ulitmate revi/Vice- The apex of teamwork between demon and human

Geats X-The final step to god hood


Gotachard rainbow-Friendship

I get it you can love it and we all can agree Gotachard is nothing, but toy sales this season since I read Geats didn't do so well. Most likely its why I hate the season


but seriously I want stuff like Fourze,gaim W blade ex aid ooos

Those are the type of shows I like and those seem to be the most like seasons for very good reason. Gotachard wont have that staying power like those seasons do

You can say all you want i complain but my criticism is very much true and shows that Rewia just hasn't been a good overall era so far its been just boring and the fact they are hammering toy sales more and more shows its not story first its nothing but a souless toy sales era

[Enchilada645]

So what you're saying is that you expected Gotchard to be one thing by honing into one part of the base synopsis and then it was something else and you didn't like it, got it.

[LevisNox]

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

So what you're saying is that you expected Gotchard to be one thing by honing into one part of the base synopsis and then it was something else and you didn't like it, got it.

Alchemy is the main part of the series, but isn't even used

it was used like three times so far, hell the so called alchemy school isn't even fully explore just this small ass room

Friendship angle and you CLEARLY DIDNT READ

Gotachard friendship angle is so fucking weak, Hotoro wants to be friends with all the chemmies, but how they do is he talks to them once and after that FRIENDSHIP

While in Fourze the friendship is explore through eps the secondary chars got two eps per person to explore them fully

Hell even explore you cant become friends with everyone

The friendship part of Gotachard is souless

[DaikaijuSokogeki01]

Kamen Rider has almost always been a show for kids under 10. The early Heisei series (Kuuga through Kabuto) are the outlier, not the norm.

Also, it is impossible for Majade to be the worst secondary Rider in a franchise where DiEnd or Beast exist.

[TycoonBoost]

Hey everyone, I know that this is the rumor page but I didn't know where else to post it. Today my best friend got me a box of phase two Chemy cards. However, I now have run out of card pages for my binder. I've been using some card sleeve pages I bought for the megaforce cards to hold the chemy cards but I've ran out, I don't know the exact listing that I bought for the megaforce cards but I was wondering what y'all use to hold your chemy cards and if any of y'all could send me an amazon link to them.

(Also in case anyone cares, for my bday I also got a legend driver, a Blazar brace as well as the first 2 Stone sets and 4 ultra vinyls)

[Androzani84]

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Originally Posted by Zolda

When and where did I say or imply that a franchise can't change nor be experimental? Of course they can change and be experimental. My point is not about changing nor not changing something per se. My point is about how those changes fit the already established standards. I even stated in my previous comment that a heroine-Rider hybrid character can be done, albeit very very very difficult since it will have to fill 2 important roles at once.

Your original post literally said (paraphrasing) “Women should not be Riders”. That is the very point you were being called out for, considering the idea of female Riders in prominent roles is very experimental for a show aimed at the boys demographic.

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Originally Posted by LevisNox

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Dude, you literally admitted you stopped watching after 4 episodes. You have no right to actually pass any kind of fair judgement on ANY aspect of the show. Especially since the “points” you make emphasise that you weren’t even paying attention to those episodes.

[Zolda]

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Originally Posted by Androzani84

Your original post literally said (paraphrasing) ?Women should not be Riders?. That is the very point you were being called out for, considering the idea of female Riders in prominent roles is very experimental for a show aimed at the boys demographic.

Here comes Androzani84, the member who has the best reading comprehension skill in this forum. :V

Which one of my posts that you paraphrased and referred to as my original post? Is it this one in KR Gavv's thread? If yes, then I have a bad news for you: Your paraphrase is logically faulty.

I never said nor implied that "women should not be Riders". Of course women can be Riders. I have no problem with women being Riders. What I said was: "Let a heroine be a heroine, not a Rider. A Rider heroine = A bad heroine." My point of criticism was: "A heroine should be a heroine, not having a dual role as a Rider, let alone the secondary Rider", not "women should not be Riders." I even said in this post that a heroine can also be a Rider, but it will be a very very very difficult task to do because it has to simultaneously fulfill the enormous roles of the heroine and the secondary Rider. If you think that the statement "a heroine should be a heroine, not a Rider" = "women should not be Riders", then, once again, congratulations for having the best reading comprehension skill in this forum. :V

Don't paraphrase my statement when you can simply quote it. It's worse when your paraphrase is logically faulty because it makes your paraphrase look like a straw man argument against me. Oh, and please use the word "literally" correctly because I never even said nor implied that "women should not be Riders".

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