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Kamen Rider Gavv Episode 24- "A Spoonful of Revival Ice Cream!" Discussion
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02-23-2025, 02:10 AM
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Zolda
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Shouma says @ 00:03 that Hanto's mom was killed and turned into Dark Snack spice because of
him
. Whaaattt, Shouma?
Her being made into Dark Snack spice was not
your
fault, but because she was captured by a Stomach part-timer. Whether she'd met you or not, she would've still been killed and turned into Dark Snack spice. The writers tried to make Shouma feels guilty in the dumbest, most nonsensical way possible. Gosh, what a bizarro form of reasoning.
Shouma says @ 00:18 that KR Bitter Gavv that he thought he had defeated appeared even stronger. Last week in my post in episode 23 thread
here
I mentioned that the Vrocan Spicy RG had been created by Dark Shouma #1 in episode 22 and had also been destroyed along with Dark Shouma #1 in episode 22 as wel, but I've just realized there's something weird in Shouma's monologue @ 00:18 here. If Dark Shouma #2/KR Bitter Gavv is another clone that's separate from Dark Shouma #1, then Dark Shouma #2's growth in strength should be a restart, not a continuation of Dark Shouma #1's growth during episode 21-22. If Dark Shouma #2 is a completely new, different individual that's separate from Dark Shouma #1, then whatever happened to Dark Shouma #1 won't affect Dark Shouma #2. It means Dark Shouma #2 should have the same level of strength like Dark Shouma #1's initial level of strength. Another instance of bizarro reasoning.
The high-speed chase from @ 00:25-01:10 only ended in Shouma getting exhausted. It'd be different if Lage 9 joined the chase,
not
left behind to take care of an injured human at the end of episode 23. So convenient! Oh, and like I said in my post in episode 23 thread
here
:
"If this [high-speed chase] scene doesn't
finally
make the activities of the Kamen Riders the hottest, biggest topic in national TV stations in the next episode, then
all people
in this story (not just the main characters) do not have normal, healthy, and well-functioning logic, rationality, and common sense."
Shouma is fainting @ 01:18 due to exhaustion, aaannnddd... Sachika conveniently appears at the scene at the right time to pick up Shouma. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo awfully, laughably convenient!
If this story doesn't have a gazillion of convenient coincidences that happen at crucial moments like this, then the story would've stalled since a long, long, long time ago. A gazillion of convenient coincidences that take your protagonist(s)
out
of problems/conflicts = Pure lazy writing. Just another proof of how pathetically, laughably, indefensibly lazy, cheap, and heavy-handed this story is.
Sachika @ 03:34 is remembering a scene several moments ago when Hanto told her that another Dark Shouma had appeared and caused ruckus. She also told Hanto that she had known that Hanto was the chocolate Kamen Rider. Credits to Sachika because she's not as dense as Hanto and Shouma are, haha.
She says @ 04:17 that Shouma's having a mental health issue due to his strained friendship with Hanto. A strained friendship with a person he barely knows (Hanto) is more than enough to make Shouma uNhApPy, but only several hours after seeing his mom getting brutally murdered by Glotta right in front of his two eyes at the beginning of episode 1 he was still hApPy. Yea, Gavv logic.
Kataro @ 04:26 is showing Hanto the location of a warehouse at a pier where he said that there are monster activities there. His excuse is that it was his old workplace where he needed to return the uniform to. From his expression @ 04:49 Kataro is likely scheming something. Hanto enters the warehouse, and he's splashed with octopus ink. Kataro reappears along with the owner of the yakiniku restaurant in episode 23 last week and reveals that the owner wanted revenge for one of Hanto's articles. Hanto despises Kataro for selling him out and says that friendship doesn't last forever. Just when Kataro is walking away from the crime scene with his 30K JPY payment, he's Hito Pressed by the owner who turns out to be a Granute in disguise. Surprise surprise. So yeah, my post in episode 23 thread
here
is confirmed to be correct in this scene. Hanto is trapped by Kataro's false alarm call, and this scene, especially his statement that friendship doesn't last forever likely also confirms my hypothesis in that post that he needs to be isolated from Shouma (and likely other characters as well) and be driven to loneliness in order to prepare him to enter the dumb, stubborn Sad Boi dark secondary Rider phase. Sooooo, maybe I should welcome Sad Boi Hanto? Haha.
What's stupid in this scene is the owner/the octopus Granute Hito Pressed Kataro, but not Hanto. Hanto himself says @ 05:35 that his body feels heavy, likely due to the octopus ink, so he's having a difficulty moving, so the owner/the octopus Granute should be able to Hito Press Hanto as well and get rid of him forever. He'd even probably be rewarded by Lango/Stomach for getting rid of one of the Kamen Riders. Even if he fails, he should at least
try
Hito Pressing Hanto. Heck, Hanto is having even
more
difficulty moving after being splashed with the octopus Granute's ink for the
second
time @ 07:04, so the owner/the octopus Granute should Hito Press Hanto right then and there! But,
of coooooooooourse
, the owner/the octopus Granute doesn't Hito Press Hanto because if he does it then the carefully planned convoluted plots would be ruined and the story would go 1000% haywire. The owner/the octopus Granute can't have a normal, healthy, and well-functioning logic, rationality, and common sense, because logic, rationality, and common sense never work in favor of the writers. Even the most simple, basic forms of logic, rationality, and common sense are like Kryptonite to the carefully planned convoluted plots of this story, haha.
Yep, one more proof of how pathetically, laughably, indefensibly lazy, cheap, sloppy, and atrocious this story is. Congratulations, Gavv's writers (and producers)! *facepalm
Gavv 24 @ 05.35
Gavv 24 @ 07.04
In the scene @ 07:22 Lage 9/KR Vram intends to kill Dente for creating Dark Snacks that caused Komel's death, but Dente doesn't seem to mind because he's actually feeling remorseful for what he did in the past. Dente thinks that he should've talked to Zomb to change his mind, not run away to the human world. Is he telling the truth or is he just pretending? And there's 1 huge logical anomaly (among a gazillion others) regarding Dente that still hasn't been answered like I've asked since my post in episode 12 thread
here
:
"Why did Stomach let Dente, the most brilliant scientist there, go MIA [or rather, AWOL] for almost 2 decades? Why did they seem to do nothing to prevent Dente from deserting his post? It makes no sense at all for a big corporation to just let their most brilliant, important scientist go MIA [or rather, AWOL] and did nothing to prevent it nor respond to it."
It'd make no sense at all if Stomach CEO, whether it's Zomb, Bouche, or Lango, has never attempted to search Dente, be it in the Granut world or in the human world. Dente (Stomach's most brilliant scientist) could've leaked crucial trade secrets of Dark Snack production to Stomach's competitors, or even leaked them to the Granute police/law enforcement as a justice collaborator, so if Stomach CEO's are sane people with normal, healthy, and well-functioning logic, rationality, and common sense, then they would've already considered Dente's disappearance a catastrophic risk for Stomach, and they would've scrambled to search for Dente wherever he was.
Dark Shouma #2 has nothing to do, so, as usual, he decides to spend his spare time causing random ruckus @ 09:01, haha.
But wait! There's more stupidity coming from the owner/the octopus Granute! He said he wanted to torture Hanto, and he did, but
of course
, he always gives Hanto a chance to escape by putting Hanto's Valen Buster at arm's reach like shown @ 11:07, haha.
This scene is very similar to the one in episode 16 @ 05:13 where the Crab Granute left Hanto's Valen Buster on a table nearby so that Hanto could sabotage his plan at the last minute at the most crucial moment. The owner/the octopus Granute @ 10:50 says that it's morning already, so he has tortured Hanto for about 12 hours. He looks like he's satisfied torturing Hanto, so he should just kill or Hito Press Hanto right then and there and complete his revenge. But,
of coooooooooourse
, like I said in the previous paragraph, he doesn't do it because the writers didn't want the carefully planned convoluted plots to crumble pathetically like a house of cards, haha.
As always in this story: Very very
very
conveniently stupid!
Gavv 24 @ 11.07
Gavv 16 @ 05.13
As expected, the Chocold RG manages to break free from the owner/the octopus Granute's ink restrain, and the rest of the debut of KR Valen Chocold form is predictable.
Lage 9 says @ 13:01 that he made Dente his ally for his future plan, and thinks that Dente might be stronger than he previously thought. Perhaps it will have something to do with his upgrade form, or even create a copy of his Vrastum Gear for Hanto/KR Valen's upgrade form (Frappe Custom form) which was shown in recent leak to use Vrastum Gear. The question is still the same: Who produced the Frappe RG (and the Doppudding and Purujelly RG's too)? It can't be Shouma because the RG's produced by Shouma do not have tubular shape like those.
Sachika is trying to fight Dark Shouma #2/KR Bitter Gavv @ 13:23 using a hand saw. Lage 9/KR Vram comes to the rescue but is still overwhelmed. Sachika decides to give ice cream to Shouma, who is reminded when his mom wished there had been ice when he had cold. When I was a kid, I also once ate ice cream when I got cold, and my cold was getting worse, haha.
So yeah, like I said last week in my post in episode 23 thread, Sachika just gives Shouma ice cream and the Blizzardsorbei RG is produced. No surprise. The design of KR Gavv Blizzardsorbet form is fine, though I much prefer KR Gavv Caking form. You can't top that one. If someone told me that KR Gavv Caking form is the final form, I'd probably believe it, haha.
The weird thing in this scene is that besides Sachika, there's only 1 human (the ice cream vendor), who flees since Dark Shouma #2/KR Bitter Gavv causes explosions. Strangely, after
that
much commotion, why aren't there many people (and the police!) coming there and crowding around the crime scene? This scene (and many similar scenes in this series) feels very unnatural due to the lack of people. It feels too strangely sterile. It feels too silent, hollow, and empty. I certainly don't remember Tokyo's public places being empty, especially during daylight and peak hours like this. This is quite likely due to the shooting (especially for the fight scenes that involve actual Rider suits/costumes) was done in a very discreet manner that didn't even involve extras to fill the scene. The production crews sterilized the locations from outsiders to keep prying eyes out and prevent leaks, and created very sterile-looking scenes like this. Surprise surprise. Yet, the looks and designs of the Riders were still leaked, and judging from the 95% accuracy, very likely leaked by someone very closely tied with the design/fabrication/production teams, or even
within
the design/fabrication/production teams themselves. The paradox of secret: The more you protect a secret, the higher the chance it will leak, and the worse the outcome when it
does
leak. TLDR: The best kept secrets are hidden in plain view. That, or Toei better upgrade their operational security, because it's very clearly lacking, haha.
Sachika uploads the previous fright scene to social media. Isn't it very dangerous, because now the police/authorities has more than enough data to track Shouma's location and compromise his anonymity? Ah, never mind. I bet the police would still do nothing to respond to the obvious threats. It's KR Gavv, what else should I expect, haha.
In the scene @ 22:02, Sachika is being
very
casual and friendly towards Lage 9, soooooooooooooooooooooooo... Could this be at least the catalyst moment that will make him fall in love with Sachika? Haha.
Lage 9's relationship with Sachika could change the way he views humans, and to me, it could be the only redeeming factor in this atrocious story, after my expectation for Jeebh's Rider debut hasn't paid off
at all
. Oh, and I think he's gonna work and live there as well, haha.
Gavv 24 @ 22.21
And speaking of Jeebh, he's
still
MIA.
# of episodes without Jeebh: 8.
My only conclusion: The writers wrote themselves to a corner and couldn't do anything to insert Jeebh into the story, so he needed to be sidelined until his advertising tenure begins, very likely after Kenzou reveals himself as the creator of the Dark Shoumas and transforms into KR Bake.
I've got nothing more to say, so let me repost my point about Jeebh in episode 23 thread
here
:
"And hooooooooooooooooooooly crap, Jeebh is
still
frakkin' absent!!! Where the heck are you, Jeebh???
He's the only character in this story whose transformation I've really really
really
looked forward into, but at this point all the momentum and all my expectations about him have completely evaporated. He's completely missed his momentum.
The weirdest thing is that the writers still could't even deal with Jeebh's storyline, yet they added a new villain (Zomb) into the story and potentially made the story much harder to resolve. They hadn't solved the previous problem yet they created a new one. Also, Kenzou is starting another manipulation, adding another difficulty in resolving Jeebh's storyline."
Let me repost my point about Jeebh in episode 21 thread
here
:
"Jeebh is
still
absent after his last appearance in episode 16. He doesn't appear at all since then, not even 1 frame. The fact that Jeebh is
still
nowhere to be seen could mean that he'd likely transform into the 5th Rider or the 6th Rider, since there has been a rumor about Kenzou transforming into KR Bake. Perhaps Jeebh would be one of the normal Granutes who are possessed by Dark Shouma's cells and gets his Gavv corrupted, or perhaps he's the final user of the Henshin Belt Bitter Gavv. That, or he's simply forgotten by the writers due to the super duper hyper mega ultra convoluted plot, haha.
Jeebh is supposed to be the person who has the most problems with Shouma due to Shita being killed by Shouma in episode 14, so he should've been consumed by revenge and *wait for it* bitterness. He should've been searching frantically for Shouma to exact his revenge. He should've ordered his agents to search for Shouma and attack him at first sight. Heck, he could've even decided to play dirty by using Sachika as a hostage to lure Shouma out. But that didn't happen. Instead, Jeebh has been completely gone from the story. So yeah, perhaps he's simply forgotten by the writers due to the super duper hyper mega ultra convoluted plot, haha.
"
Like I said in my post in episode 22 thread
here
:
"My only words for Jeebh:
You either die a villain, or live long enough to see yourself become a
forgotten
villain. The worst fate is not being a dead character, but being a character forgotten by its own writers. *facepalm"
Hanto says @ 22:36 that as long as he has the Chocold RG, he can defeat all Granutes by himself without relying on Shouma anymore. So yeah, my hypothesis in episode 23 thread
here
that Hanto and Shouma wouldn't meet at all in episode 24 is proven to be correct by this scene. Like I elaborated above, Hanto will be isolated from Shouma (and likely other characters as well) and be driven to loneliness in order to prepare him to enter the dumb, stubborn Sad Boi dark secondary Rider phase, and he'll likely gain his final form after defeating Kenzou/KR Bake(?). Welcome, Sad Boi Hanto! Haha.
Next week:
Just after I've finished typing the previous paragraph, it's shown in the preview section that Lage 9 is wearing Hapipare uniform. So yeah, it pretty much confirmed that he's working there.
A kabutomushi Granute is disguising himself as a food vlogger?
When will KR Bake debut? I think his debut could be between episodes 26-28, similar to KR Platinum Gotchard who debuted in episode 27, though I'm not sure what to do with the remaining Dark Shoumas. There are at least 8 copies of Dark Shoumas, so perhaps the remaining 4 or 5 copies would likely be repurposed into Rider troopers, attached to other normal Granutes, absorbed by Kenzou, and or claimed by Nyelv. There's even the possiblity that one of the Dark Shoumas could likely defect and defied the Master's(Kenzou?) orders.
Bonus hypothesis:
The crucial intel regarding Stomach as the producer of Dark Snacks could've likely been leaked to Lage 9 by Dente or Zomb (if he was somehow still alive several months ago), which could explain how Lage 9, a mere ordinary civilian with virtually zero detective/investigative skills, was able to connect the dots and trace the name Dark Snacks to Stomach corporation in just several months, while the Granute police/law enforcement authority are still in the dark after 2 decades(!) of Stomach's Dark Snack operation.
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