[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Because the human brain has standards.

You're acting like there's one human brain we all share, and it's in your head.

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Because if they insist on calling those series "masterpieces" then they are inviting them to be judged by "masterpice" standards.

Fair enough. Though I'd argue that he just doesn't have the vocabulary (or maybe just the patience) to articulate why he thinks the series is a masterpiece.

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No.

But be realistic. Anyone can like anything they want, but calling Agito a Masterpiece is overkill. Especially when it's as flawed as it is. And ESPECIALLY when he confronts anyone who disagrees with "well, you're the ONLY ONE WHO EVER-."

"Anyone can like anything they want but calling Agito a Masterpiece is overkill."

So... apparently they can't like anything they want because you are the ultimate arbiter of quality, and you have deemed Kuuga unworthy.

Though yeah, citing a majority's opinion is an infuriating counterargument. We're in agreement. Especially when he came out the gate swinging.

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Thanks for proving my point!

Now you know why Superman doesn't do stuff like that anymore. It's absurd, and just goes to show the runaway fantasy trap I'm explaining. It's exactly the same as Kuuga destroying a planet.

And that lack of imagination and insistence on logic is why modern Superman comics, stunts aside, sell like shit and are mostly terrible. He's a character who thrives in illogic. Not so with a character like Batman, who thrives when grounded and well-reasoned.

My favorite recent Superman story is All-Star Superman. I think that's a fairly common opinion. That story features a Superman strong enough to move Earth out of it's orbit. You may not buy that Silver Age nonsense in the simple stories from the 50s & 60s, but that same nonsense works in the context of ASSM because the emotional logic is sound. Grant Morrison proved that you can have crazy, absurd things happen randomly so long as your character reacts in a way that's true to his psychology.

My point is: The same logical rules can't apply to all stories. The rules are entirely context dependent.

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It's called "too much." Why do I have the feeling if a dehydrated man showed up on your doorstep begging for water, you'd drown him in your bathtub, and when he protests, you'd act like HE was at fault for wanting water in the first place.

Interesting analogy.

I'm just arguing for an open mind. I'm not saying the way you prefer story is wrong -- just that it's far from the only way, as your tone implies.

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And now you see.

Again, to refer back to my suspension of disbelief arguement you decidedly ignored in favour of a joke, there's limits. It's the same reason Kamen Rider has cohesive stories, continuity in the series's, and structure at all. You can't ignore every single breach of logic simply because you have to ignore some to accept the concept. That's how stories fall apart and lose quality.

I'm utterly baffled this needs explaining.

I didn't address it because you just kind of said the words "suspension of disbelief" and said the way to achieve it is to be able to visualize an absurd concept. I think that's overly reductive and depends on everyone having the same level of imagination.

After this post, I kind of see that you're arguing that a strong internal logic is vital to fostering suspension of disbelief. I agree, in general, but I also believe that most people can sustain their suspension of disbelief even in the face of logic breaches (as long as they're rare) if most of the other logical areas are strong.

Where we disconnect most is when you seem to imply that there is a universal set of logical proofs that exist to provoke suspension of disbelief, and that they're the same for every person. That if you tick off enough boxes on this imaginary list, universal suspension of disbelief is automatically achieved for everyone. Maybe I'm misinterpreting you, But that's far from true.