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Originally Posted by Annuga

Could you elaborate on this? My understand is that Vice tried to eat Ikki's mother in episode 1 and a lot later, Vice was revealed to never be able to do that cause of a deal he made with Ikki as a child or something. The term retcon gets thrown left and right these days because people are illiterate so I wouldn't mind seeing how this wasn't actually the case

Devils can't lie.



In other words, Vice was never actually going to eat her. It was either part of his usual antics or a plot to try and keep Ikki from progressing the contract too far. This, combined with his antics as the show goes on and the other LINE messages shows time and time again that he's only out for Ikki's' best interest, and never at the expense of his family. Even when it comes to fighting Kagero, who is Daiji's' Devil...



So yeah, if you ask me, Vice's' character is pretty consistent while still having some rather natural development.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Dealing with duality is often what gets praise from wide array of people, of which I'd want to talk about the "opposite" thing here. It's to the point that some people will always forcibly impose the idea of duality in everything, that those think it's the only right way to write story/characters. As a Kuuga fan, what'd you say regarding this especially for perhaps being fans of characters like Yuusuke (of which, not Yuusuke himself ironically, but these kind of characters often get bashed for not giving those duality they seek).

I mean, I love duality and split personalities and all that as narrative/character devices, but I wouldn't say the lack of them is inherently any lesser in any way. It's all in the execution, afterall. Revice having duality at the forefront is a plus. That it managed to explore it in a way I found entertaining is just moreso. Had I felt they done it bad, I'd be alot more upset(see: Kamen Rider Build).

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I'd also say, the knight-like appearance of Live and Holy Live represents on how self-righteous he became later after Kagerou's death, fully convinced he's in the right and unwilling to hear anyone else out, believing that Ikki is just going to get more people killed by continuing to oppose Giff, getting a with us or against us approach. The trope of this self-righteousness is called knight templar types, he doesn't only embody this character type in personality but also literally.

Absolutely. Holy Live's' design is so good in so many ways because of stuff like this.

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People'd likely overlook this regarding the view on Daiji, but to talk about something I appreciated during Revice's second half, I appreciated of how they mainly highlighted Daiji's tactical senses after his full personality is restored with Kagerou back, showing that he's no longer willing to succumb into hopelessness, and would look for another way to solve problems, and that it's also done consistently.

Fair point!

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Though admittedly George can be fun to watch either way for his first memetic and "relatable" parts and I think for second part in his laidbackness while being helpful, would still think that his change is sudden and abrupt in middle part of him being an actual helpful ally, especially with the excuses of him "just following orders" to Akaishi (not convincing to me, given him looking down on Hiromi's ideals), and later apparently having a devil, Chic, transfered to him (which also can make Masumi look so bad given that they're trying to have the audience forgive him, though I haven't watched the Chic movie yet).

Yeah, as much as I love George, it definitely would've been better had his progression from chaotic neutral to neutral good were more naturally done, rather than suddenly with a explanation as to why later on. I will say though that, of the two options we got, I do much prefer the Devil explanation rather than the Just Following Orders one.