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Kamen Rider Die rewatches Kamen Rider Fourze
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I don't know about these days, but it definitely is worth checking out because I feel like Spirits gave ZX (pronounced Zecross for those still not sure of how to call him) a resurgence like none other during the 2000s.
Speaking of unapparent pronunciations, there's also Cross-Z (kurōzu), who sounds like the opposite of ZX.
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I felt that Gentaro is personally affected by Sugiura's rules as well, in similar way as his actions to the other students, as Gentaro has to wear an uniform and make his hairstyle normal.
I mean, Gentarou's gakuran is still a uniform, just not the Amanogawa uniform.
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I wonder about how Sugiura is seen as deserving of this kind of punishment unlike the other Zodiarts, would it be about like Die of viewing the Zodiarts and Horoscopes as different? (dunno what'd be your thoughts to what should happen to other current Horoscopes by this, other than the previous two in Capricorn and Aquarious, as well as Emoto), and I wonder if you'd think he doesn't deserve this if he didn't pull the move he did to Meteor or if Meteor legitimately lost, but still have the rest of his crimes the same (brainwashing others to make them and the school lawful).
The corrupted Zodiarts and cognizant Horoscopes distinction is a factor, but for me, it's mostly due to the severity of Sugiura's crimes on the same level as Makise's. Both of their powers involved controlling large groups of people against their will. Taurus breaking his own contract with Meteor was an additional evil, but his actions before that point were already terrible.
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As said above, a hero accepting a redeemed villain, even if not easily, may be seen as pushing to have it done at the behalf of the villain's victims, of which, many brought this up towards villains who has murdered many, as the damage they do are irreversible, thus they're the ones seen as irredeemable. Maybe the popular take by this is that, Sugiura wouldn't fit said irredeemable criteria and maybe viewed similarly as those who commit petty or victimless crimes, such as theft, vandalism, or speeding, as his villainy can just be undone by removing the brainwashing, and everything would be normal again, like how those crimes in said list can be undone by them returning, compensating, or repairing stuff, thus they're seen as redeemable (or have people downplay them as never being bad in the first place as they never murdered anyone), while for something like murder, it can't be undone (and not all fantasy settings also can).
Except in this setting though, murder can and has been undone and atoned for, as we saw with Ryusei's murder of Gentarou. It's also important to point out that murder isn't the only crime that's virtually impossible to undo. Like I said about Tomoko, it would've turned out badly for her if Emoto hadn't saved her, as her mental health is tied to how she expresses herself to others. You can undo brainwashing, but you can't undo trauma like turning off a Switch.
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KAMEN RIDER FOURZE EPISODE 42 - ?REIGN OF THE ARCHER?
This is a whole episode that?s about that belief, and the way friendship as a concept is a multiplier to the friendships themselves. Gen gains things from JK, Miu, Shun, and Yuuki being around, but he can still be their friend by supporting them when they?re not around, and they?re no less his friends ? and their friendship is no less valuable ? for a lack of constancy to their appearances. Gen cheering them on from afar boosts his spirits in the same way having them in his life on a daily basis boosts his spirits, giving a new understanding to Cosmic States. As long as he believes in his friends and wants them to be happy, the friendship has power, and so does Cosmic States.
Gentarou's epic speech is further emphasized by his friends showing up and defying Virgo's ultimatum, which ironically shows a level of ruthlessness empowered by friendship that Tachibana believed could only be obtained by discarding friendship. In a way, he did end up teaching Gentarou an important moral that allowed him to access Cosmic States on his own, but Tachibana didn't expect to also learn a moral from Gentarou that being on your own isn't the same as being alone. Friendship is strong enough to cross even the infinite void of space, which is totally a fitting message for this show.
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