[guncannon109]

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Originally Posted by coturos

Also I forgot to mention. Having no development was satonaka's whole thing. She was a worker. She did her job, and left. She didn't get attached to anyone so of course she wouldnt face development.

Remember the P's Game episodes?

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by coturos

Also I forgot to mention. Having no development was satonaka's whole thing. She was a worker. She did her job, and left. She didn't get attached to anyone so of course she wouldnt face development.

You seem to have "developement" confused with "being in any way engaging or having any life to her performance."

She didn't need developement, but developement wasn't what she was lacking. A fucking soul was what she was lacking. The only other surprise in her appearence in the climax wa sthat fact that her voice broke that robotic monotone for once.

And if she didn't get attached to anyone, why was she one of the heartfelt faces extending open hands to our hero in need?

Honestly, I don't like talking about OOOs flaws. I don't want to remember the stuff I didn't like, and comparring OOOs to double and seeing the ugly spots of the two (forgot to remention, OOOs did do one thing way better than double: the secondary rider was WAY better) is really just dapening the series for me.

See, I recently rewatched Double with a friend. My starry-eyed blissful ignorance to Kamen Rider was long since gone, and the surprise of the show as spoiled in full, so it was really a chance to look past my initial feelings and re-evaluate it with scrutiny. And it was still better than OOOs.

[Matrixbeast]

So, with OOO under your belt, are you going to finish Agito or start another?

[SPLIT LIP]

Agito's next, as I'm about fifteen eps in.

[Switchblade]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

If he had something to do with 555 and Hibiki's second half, then he learned how to write a story before he hit Kiva. And a Kamen Rider series reuse tropes? Oh no, that has never happened before.

Actually, it's not that he learned to write before Kiva, it's that he forgot how to write after Agito. And there's nothing wrong with reusing tropes - I love the Showa era and there's tons of recycling there. The difference is that Inoue's stuff is incredibly overplayed and obvious - something happens that could be easily resolved by a simple conversation but it isn't because none of the characters will talk to each other openly, Riders spend as much time fighting each other as they do fighting monsters, characters' dreams exist solely to be crushed, there's one character whose sole purpose is to antagonize everybody else but nobody ever calls him on it, people keep falling into water, etc.

Agito is a classic. Jetman is a classic. But everything Inoue has touched since 2003 has been total shit.

You want proof? He's the dude that wrote the OOO portion of Movie War Core.

[SideswipePrime]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Subjectively I think Double will always be my favourite. Objectively I still think Double is better. It was just better crafted, and it got far more emotional responses out of me than OOOs did. (And I had been spoiled to W's ending, so it had that working against it)

On W's ending verses OOOs: Really, as much as some people say it "cheapened" the second to last episode, I don't really see that. The emotion in the scene where Shotaro lets Philip go wasn't really undone, since it was still a major point to his character. And while philip wasn't gone long for us, he was for Shotaro, and seeing Shotaro not lose strength in the meantime was a huge service to the character. And his reuniting with Philip was very well done, really makign the relation between the two seem incredibly genuine.

Sadly, while I didn't want to do this, the main decider for which series overall was better comes mainly due to the acting. Shotaro's actor really, really portrays the character well, and really gets across the intense emotion Shotaro is based around. That's the best part of Shotaro and Philip: one is heart-on-his-sleeve and overflowing with personality, one is very reserved and awkward, sometimes oblivious, to emotion. They both aspire to be more, and grow in different ways, Shotaro accepting who he is and realising emotion is not something to just be ignored, and Philip wanting a family and to, basically, feel love and loved again.

Eiji... I like the character a lot, I like the actor a lot, but he's not Shotaro. He's just not the emotional powerhouse. I'm not saying he has to be the same character, but I can't remember a lot of scenes where Eiji expressed so much emotion outside of his oft-repeated civil war flashback, even when he should have. It got very tiring, honestly, and is one of the reasons I'll probably end up forgetting a huge part of him. He had a character, but he didn't have much of a personality.

Combine that with the other (minor mind you) flaws of the show and I can't honestly call OOOs better than Double. They are the same tier though. And OOOs did not ever dissapoint, especially coming off of Double which I, and many I've heard, consider one of the stronger series. I don't want to pick a favourite or which is better, but if I had to, it's Double, both times.

Ok. I was just curious, since Fourze was my favorite, but Den-O like I said, dethoned it.

[SPLIT LIP]

If I can find it, I may give Fourze another chance, but I couldn't get past the first episode. The high school setting kills my interest, and the space motif isn't my cup of tea. (neither is the suit) Also, friendship being the overall theme has me groning just a bit.

Maybe if they make an SIC of Fourze I'll check it out. Also I just relaised, the last few series have kind of been counting. Double means two, OOO is three zeros, Fourze sounds like "four" and Wizard has five letters in it.

[guncannon109]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

If I can find it, I may give Fourze another chance, but I couldn't get past the first episode. The high school setting kills my interest, and the space motif isn't my cup of tea. (neither is the suit) Also, friendship being the overall theme has me groning just a bit.

Maybe if they make an SIC of Fourze I'll check it out. Also I just relaised, the last few series have kind of been counting. Double means two, OOO is three zeros, Fourze sounds like "four" and Wizard has five letters in it.

Six, wizard has six letters in it.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by guncannon109

Six, wizard has six letters in it.

What the fuck is wrong with me.

[SideswipePrime]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

If I can find it, I may give Fourze another chance, but I couldn't get past the first episode. The high school setting kills my interest, and the space motif isn't my cup of tea. (neither is the suit) Also, friendship being the overall theme has me groning just a bit.

Maybe if they make an SIC of Fourze I'll check it out. Also I just relaised, the last few series have kind of been counting. Double means two, OOO is three zeros, Fourze sounds like "four" and Wizard has five letters in it.

Don't worry it's not like saved by the bell with Toku, like MMPR. I would say to try to at least watch up until Meteor shows up (with is episode 14 or 15 somewhere around there) because the story REALLY picks up at that point in the series.