What are you watching? (Kamen Rider Edition)

Matrixbeast · 06-05-2013, 01:36 PM

Terui shares much of the same concepts other secondary Riders, being mean, abrasive, rude, and just downright unlikable.

For the most part, they all tend to become fan favorites for their respective series because they do lighten up and when their backstory is unveiled, they become much better characters.

Terui is no different. I just think the "Asshole secondary Rider" thing as a whole is too played out, even before Accel's introduction.

SPLIT LIP · 06-05-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Terui is no different. I just think the "Asshole secondary Rider" thing as a whole is too played out, even before Accel's introduction.

Agreed. That's why I was glad when Gotou didn't become Birth right away.

BTW, I decided to return to Wizard since I kind of felt bad for just forgetting it like that.

Then I remember Shampoo and his overall "what in the fucking blue negaverse hell were they thinking?"-ness reminds me exactly why I forgot.

Considering how Fourze was, and how Wizard is, I'm kind of afraid that Kamen Rider is getting a bit... ridiculous. W and OOO managed to be light-hearted without being pandering or annoying, but this is getting too much. I really think every additional cast member thrown into the central plot (the "in the know" group) weakens it. In W we basically had just three, then four, good guys related to the central plot. (and even then, Philip and Shotaro were a single detective) In OOO we had five counting Hina and Date and Brotou, but that was lessened by the Birth pair being a team that functioned as one. Wizard has, like, five people already and I haven't even gotten to Beast. Plus, unlike those other post-Decade shows I've watched, only Hairytoes is useful in any way being the rider. So we've got four people who are essentially baggage, two without any crutch to fall back on.

Matrixbeast · 06-05-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Agreed. That's why I was glad when Gotou didn't become Birth right away.

Introducing Date was a great choice. Gave Gotou time to pull that stick out his ass.
It's also why I liked Beast and Zeronos (Who was kind of rude, but Deneb's damage control and their overall interactions kept me from disliking him) so much.

Switchblade · 06-05-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Terui is no different. I just think the "Asshole secondary Rider" thing as a whole is too played out, even before Accel's introduction.

That's pretty much Riderman's fault. As the first real "secondary Rider" his storyline followed that whole "initially at odds with the hero, but eventually a true friend and ally... oops, he's dead" arc that would, apart from that last bit, be the standard for secondary Riders of the Heisei era.

That's one of the things I like about Wizard. Nitou tried to do that whole "rival" thing, but he's too big of a goofball and Haturo doesn't give enough of a damn for it to have ever really worked.

Matrixbeast · 06-05-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Considering how Fourze was, and how Wizard is, I'm kind of afraid that Kamen Rider is getting a bit... ridiculous. W and OOO managed to be light-hearted without being pandering or annoying, but this is getting too much. I really think every additional cast member thrown into the central plot (the "in the know" group) weakens it. In W we basically had just three, then four, good guys related to the central plot. (and even then, Philip and Shotaro were a single detective) In OOO we had five counting Hina and Date and Brotou, but that was lessened by the Birth pair being a team that functioned as one. Wizard has, like, five people already and I haven't even gotten to Beast. Plus, unlike those other post-Decade shows I've watched, only Hairytoes is useful in any way being the rider. So we've got four people who are essentially baggage, two without any crutch to fall back on.

Well...I guess fingers crossed for the next Rider.
The background cast have been getting ridiculously large (Nothing beats Fourze's, though

), and when they mostly consist of people to stand around and go "OH" during fights, yeah, it really feels like they don't have much point.

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

That's pretty much Riderman's fault. As the first real "secondary Rider" his storyline followed that whole "initially at odds with the hero, but eventually a true friend and ally... oops, he's dead" arc that would, apart from that last bit, be the standard for secondary Riders of the Heisei era.

That's one of the things I like about Wizard. Nitou tried to do that whole "rival" thing, but he's too big of a goofball and Haturo doesn't give enough of a damn for it to have ever really worked.

I just hate that, outside of a rare, shining few examples (Nitou, Date, Kagami), they've all been played straight and typical.

I loved Nitou for doing something different. Especially after Ryuusei.

SPLIT LIP · 06-05-2013, 02:17 PM

Also, since I am still watching Wizard, is eveyrone in the world just a giant moron? This woman doesn't believe it when somebody cries monster.

Really.

Because, you know, it's not like monsters have been attacking since day one or anything. It's so, so stupid when these shows try to play the whole "someone doesn't believe monsters exist." Because it's just so at odds. It's like they're deliberately trying to point out how moronic it is.

I swear to God, Wizard has to be the stupidest series as far as general character intellect goes. Aside from going-through-the-motions-of-life Hairytoes, not one single God-damned person has made a sensible decision this entire show. It's insufferable that every, single, solitary human being is a doofus.

SideswipePrime · 06-05-2013, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I loved Nitou for doing something different. Especially after Ryuusei.

This.

guncannon109 · 06-05-2013, 02:54 PM

This whole discussion about asshole secondary riders makes me glad of my decision to have my second rider in Xtreme be a girl and not an asshole just a goofball.

losondro · 06-05-2013, 04:47 PM

just finished episode 20 of Kabuto and all i have to say is: What! The! Hell!

uchihabro77 · 06-05-2013, 06:27 PM

Episode 22 and 23 of W

What the hell? An idol knockoff episode? This was one of the weirder episodes ive seen so far

but it was funny to see Phillip and shoutaro singin. Another thing, why the hell was Phillip wearing a dress? He legit looked like a girl more than usual

06-05-2013, 01:36 PM	#4511
Matrixbeast Mighty Morphin Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Za Warudo Posts: 25,465	Terui shares much of the same concepts other secondary Riders, being mean, abrasive, rude, and just downright unlikable. For the most part, they all tend to become fan favorites for their respective series because they do lighten up and when their backstory is unveiled, they become much better characters. Terui is no different. I just think the "Asshole secondary Rider" thing as a whole is too played out, even before Accel's introduction. __________________

06-05-2013, 01:42 PM	#4512
SPLIT LIP I'm an agile cat. Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,032	Quote: Originally Posted by Matrixbeast Terui is no different. I just think the "Asshole secondary Rider" thing as a whole is too played out, even before Accel's introduction. Agreed. That's why I was glad when Gotou didn't become Birth right away. BTW, I decided to return to Wizard since I kind of felt bad for just forgetting it like that. Then I remember Shampoo and his overall "what in the fucking blue negaverse hell were they thinking?"-ness reminds me exactly why I forgot. Considering how Fourze was, and how Wizard is, I'm kind of afraid that Kamen Rider is getting a bit... ridiculous. W and OOO managed to be light-hearted without being pandering or annoying, but this is getting too much. I really think every additional cast member thrown into the central plot (the "in the know" group) weakens it. In W we basically had just three, then four, good guys related to the central plot. (and even then, Philip and Shotaro were a single detective) In OOO we had five counting Hina and Date and Brotou, but that was lessened by the Birth pair being a team that functioned as one. Wizard has, like, five people already and I haven't even gotten to Beast. Plus, unlike those other post-Decade shows I've watched, only Hairytoes is useful in any way being the rider. So we've got four people who are essentially baggage, two without any crutch to fall back on. Last edited by SPLIT LIP; 06-05-2013 at 01:52 PM..

06-05-2013, 01:53 PM	#4513
Matrixbeast Mighty Morphin Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Za Warudo Posts: 25,465	Quote: Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP Agreed. That's why I was glad when Gotou didn't become Birth right away. Introducing Date was a great choice. Gave Gotou time to pull that stick out his ass. It's also why I liked Beast and Zeronos (Who was kind of rude, but Deneb's damage control and their overall interactions kept me from disliking him) so much. __________________

06-05-2013, 02:01 PM	#4515
Matrixbeast Mighty Morphin Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Za Warudo Posts: 25,465	Quote: Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP Considering how Fourze was, and how Wizard is, I'm kind of afraid that Kamen Rider is getting a bit... ridiculous. W and OOO managed to be light-hearted without being pandering or annoying, but this is getting too much. I really think every additional cast member thrown into the central plot (the "in the know" group) weakens it. In W we basically had just three, then four, good guys related to the central plot. (and even then, Philip and Shotaro were a single detective) In OOO we had five counting Hina and Date and Brotou, but that was lessened by the Birth pair being a team that functioned as one. Wizard has, like, five people already and I haven't even gotten to Beast. Plus, unlike those other post-Decade shows I've watched, only Hairytoes is useful in any way being the rider. So we've got four people who are essentially baggage, two without any crutch to fall back on. Well...I guess fingers crossed for the next Rider. The background cast have been getting ridiculously large (Nothing beats Fourze's, though ), and when they mostly consist of people to stand around and go "OH" during fights, yeah, it really feels like they don't have much point. Quote: Originally Posted by Switchblade That's pretty much Riderman's fault. As the first real "secondary Rider" his storyline followed that whole "initially at odds with the hero, but eventually a true friend and ally... oops, he's dead" arc that would, apart from that last bit, be the standard for secondary Riders of the Heisei era. That's one of the things I like about Wizard. Nitou tried to do that whole "rival" thing, but he's too big of a goofball and Haturo doesn't give enough of a damn for it to have ever really worked. I just hate that, outside of a rare, shining few examples (Nitou, Date, Kagami), they've all been played straight and typical. I loved Nitou for doing something different. Especially after Ryuusei. __________________

06-05-2013, 02:17 PM	#4516
SPLIT LIP I'm an agile cat. Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,032	Also, since I am still watching Wizard, is eveyrone in the world just a giant moron? This woman doesn't believe it when somebody cries monster. Really. Because, you know, it's not like monsters have been attacking since day one or anything. It's so, so stupid when these shows try to play the whole "someone doesn't believe monsters exist." Because it's just so at odds. It's like they're deliberately trying to point out how moronic it is. I swear to God, Wizard has to be the stupidest series as far as general character intellect goes. Aside from going-through-the-motions-of-life Hairytoes, not one single God-damned person has made a sensible decision this entire show. It's insufferable that every, single, solitary human being is a doofus. Last edited by SPLIT LIP; 06-05-2013 at 02:50 PM..