[Locke]

Kuuga 24: So everyone knows Godai is number four now, since when?

Other than that, when'd the cops get so dumb in this show? "Let us gather all of the ULs targets in the same place!" fantastic idea, you're a cop and can see nothing wrong with this?

Also the Penis Form got the most subtle upgrade I had to rewind to make sure anything had actually changed. Even the super forms in this series are unspectacular, he basically just had exactly the same fight that he got when he had his first penis transformation.

It was a good idea to bring the conflict closer to home for Godai at least but that is all I got. I really enjoyed the opening ten episodes and I was really hoping these new forms would rekindle my love for the series, but minus maybe the Godai death arc (excluding the underwhelming return battle), I've not really enjoyed this series in a while.

Hopefully the other upgraded forms are more interesting, since the Penis Form was probably the most boring base form in the first place.

[SPLIT LIP]

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The only reason I'm not gonna agree with this yet is because honestly we know basically NOTHING about how the Wizard Universe actually works yet, this close to the end of the series.

That's not a good sign.

When a show fails to even hint at answering questions until the last minute, I can't help but think of those eventual answers as cheap retcons. Especially when it's questions that are so huge and open. You should know something about how the universe works by the last ten episodes.

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But yeah I'm not a big fan of Wizard's forms either and it sounds like I really need to watch OOO.

I would seriously give it a good effort. I was not a fan of the designs when I first glanced them, and didn't think I would like the show when I saw clips and shit. But I did. A lot. It damn near perfectly balances comedy and drama, and has a really good story that only slightly makes me tilt my head at the end. (and it's technical stuff, not even actual thematic flaws) The entire story around OOO is great, and Eiji is one of my top riders. It is flawed, and you should know that going it. But in my opinion, the flaws are easily outweighed.

Doesn't help that I just got a model kit of OOO today, and putting TaToBa togther really makes me want the other forms. (which don't exist as models FUUUUUUUUU-) So I'm exceptionally OOO-giddy today.

[Locke]

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That's not a good sign.

When a show fails to even hint at answering questions until the last minute, I can't help but think of those eventual answers as cheap retcons. Especially when it's questions that are so huge and open. You should know something about how the universe works by the last ten episodes.

I would seriously give it a good effort. I was not a fan of the designs when I first glanced them, and didn't think I would like the show when I saw clips and shit. But I did. A lot. It damn near perfectly balances comedy and drama, and has a really good story that only slightly makes me tilt my head at the end. (and it's technical stuff, not even actual thematic flaws) The entire story around OOO is great, and Eiji is one of my top riders. It is flawed, and you should know that going it. But in my opinion, the flaws are easily outweighed.

Doesn't help that I just got a model kit of OOO today, and putting TaToBa togther really makes me want the other forms. (which don't exist as models FUUUUUUUUU-) So I'm exceptionally OOO-giddy today.

It was doing okay for a while but then Wizard has basically been pure filler for like the last month. As I've said before I watched like thirty episodes of Wizard over a week and the show flows very nicely as a whole unit but it isn't until you slow down and have to soak up each moment in much more detail that you realise just how much time the show wastes on pointless shit.

I'm gonna go get the opening OOO episode now.

[SPLIT LIP]

Oh man, then if I'm already having problems with Wizard now.

But yeah, you should. But don't take my praise as infallible testament. Like I said, OOO is not perfect in my opinion (then again I consider VERY few things perfect) and it, obviously, doesn't hit it's full stride right out of the gate. HOWEVER, it is a series that I felt started very strong and stayed above or at the level all the way through, so no "you only have to watch 3/5ths to get to the good part" here.

Also it manages to have a singing driver that doesn't sound ridiculous. Shabadoobie-shut-the-hell-up Wizard driver. I'll take "Ta-To-Ba, tatoba TaToBa!" over that anyday.

[Matrixbeast]

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It was doing okay for a while but then Wizard has basically been pure filler for like the last month. As I've said before I watched like thirty episodes of Wizard over a week and the show flows very nicely as a whole unit but it isn't until you slow down and have to soak up each moment in much more detail that you realise just how much time the show wastes on pointless shit.

I'm gonna go get the opening OOO episode now.

That's actually a problem I've encountered when watching OOO, which I saw as it aired
What I thought was long and meandering only felt that way because it took a month to get through.
So 88 minutes, barely a movie's run time, was spread out over 4 weeks, which is why if felt a lot longer than it actually was.

Sometimes a show just works better when you can marathon it.

OOO is probably my personal favorite KR. It's not perfect, but nothing is. It has a nice start and gets really good early on, but this is all in my opinion.

[SPLIT LIP]

I wonder if I'd like OOO as much if I was forced to take a week break between every episode?

Oh well, we don't need to wory about that I guess.

[Locke]

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Oh man, then if I'm already having problems with Wizard now.

But yeah, you should. But don't take my praise as infallible testament. Like I said, OOO is not perfect in my opinion (then again I consider VERY few things perfect) and it, obviously, doesn't hit it's full stride right out of the gate. HOWEVER, it is a series that I felt started very strong and stayed above or at the level all the way through, so no "you only have to watch 3/5ths to get to the good part" here.

Also it manages to have a singing driver that doesn't sound ridiculous. Shabadoobie-shut-the-hell-up Wizard driver. I'll take "Ta-To-Ba, tatoba TaToBa!" over that anyday.

Yeah, I know not a lot of people like Wizard but it was my first Japanese Rider series and I had nothing to compare it too. It was loud, flashy and fun - there were obvious problems along the way, a lot of them, but it really swept me up into it all. I certainly enjoyed it more than Kuuga, which seems to have two bad arcs for every fantastic one.

Also, you're one of the few people where I agree with your opinion the majority of the time, so I take your recommendation as a pretty high appraisal.

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That's actually a problem I've encountered when watching OOO, which I saw as it aired
What I thought was long and meandering only felt that way because it took a month to get through.
So 88 minutes, barely a movie's run time, was spread out over 4 weeks, which is why if felt a lot longer than it actually was.

Sometimes a show just works better when you can marathon it.

OOO is probably my personal favorite KR. It's not perfect, but nothing is. It has a nice start and gets really good early on, but this is all in my opinion.

Yeah there are some shows that just work better in marathons and others that work better in bursts. It's funny to find that out especially now we no longer are a slave to broadcasts minus the most current series.

[SPLIT LIP]

OOO, to me, is great fun. I think that's the perfect way to describe it. The characters are fun, the story is fun and intriguing. Yeah, great fun is a good descriptor.

[Locke]

So opening episode of OOO.

It was so batshit insane I was laughing my head off, so yeah fun is about right. His suit is really really cool as well. I guess who ever made this played a lot of Sonic at the time. I really dunno how I'm gonna go back to Kuuga after all that flash.

That said the show has weird villains when you consider the fact that Kamen Rider exists to manipulate greed and sell as much plastic crap as possible.

[uchihabro77]

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So opening episode of OOO.

It was so batshit insane I was laughing my head off, so yeah fun is about right. His suit is really really cool as well. I guess who ever made this played a lot of Sonic at the time. I really dunno how I'm gonna go back to Kuuga after all that flash.

That said the show has weird villains when you consider the fact that Kamen Rider exists to manipulate greed and sell as much plastic crap as possible.

Glad you liked it. OOO was the first Rider i watched and yea it is ironic when u think about the greed and the fact the whole show exists to sell toys . Which reminds me, anyone got an extra TaToBa SHF.?