[Dr Kain]

See, that is where I differ Locke. I care barely stand the Disney seasons due to either the super powers the rangers had to have in every season from DT on, the ridiculous villains (a Luchadore reject, Disco Skeletor, and the Miser Bros), or the explosions that could give Michael Bay an orgasm. OH, and the music of some of the series (like MF) is down right dreadful.

The rangers in Saban's era had to rely on their skills to defeat the bad guys. Astronema and Zedd put those Disney ones to shame in both looks and seriousness (honestly, Mezogog is the only Disney villain I felt was an actual threat). The music fit the show and they were not trying to pull off Matrix styled effects.

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Doomsday was the planned finale for the show. The story goes that Rita's son Bubba was going to pilot Cyclopsis (much like Bandora's son in Zyuranger), the Rangers would beat her and the series would end. When Saban realized how much of a hit they had on their hand, they went back to Toei and the two worked out the deal for the Zyu2 footage. That's why the Zyu2 footage starts up immediately after Doomsday. So Doomsday is rescripted a bit, and the series continues.

As Saban is working through the Zyu2 footage, the stuff from Dairanger becomes available. Hence the removal of the Dinozords and the introduction of the Thunderzords, but still Zyu2 monsters for a while. The monster that causes the end of the Dinozords is a Zyu2, for instance, Pirantishead. When the Zyu2 footage is exhausted, the monsters from Dairanger begin.

Kind of. I'm 5 episodes into the next disc and except for the third episode, the other four episodes have been either a reuse of old footage with no actual monster in it (unless you count Norman Pudgy Pig and the crystal ball as monsters, in fact, both episodes use the same Goldar/Scorpina fight sequences) or the only other two left over ZyuRanger monsters they did not use in the first 40 episodes. So far, the Goo Fish episode is the only one that uses Zyu2 footage. I think I am at the point when they do actually start using Zyu2 though.

[Dr Kain]

Um okay, not sure why it double posted - DELETE

[Locke]

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See, that is where I differ Locke. I care barely stand the Disney seasons due to either the super powers the rangers had to have in every season from DT on, the ridiculous villains (a Luchadore reject, Disco Skeletor, and the Miser Bros), or the explosions that could give Michael Bay an orgasm. OH, and the music of some of the series (like MF) is down right dreadful.

The rangers in Saban's era had to rely on their skills to defeat the bad guys. Astronema and Zedd put those Disney ones to shame in both looks and seriousness (honestly, Mezogog is the only Disney villain I felt was an actual threat). The music fit the show and they were not trying to pull off Matrix styled effects.

I'm not a big fan of civilian powers either, they cause more problems than they solve but I will say I think they fit in pretty well in Ninja Storm.

I also think Disney did a great job making original villains and integrating them into their shows. Although Lothor sucked. Plus I love that unlike Saban, they actually spent money on their seasons to get casts who could act, writers who could write and shoot enough new footage to really make their seasons their own. Even when sticking pretty close to the core themes of the sentai.

[Dr Kain]

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I'm not a big fan of civilian powers either, they cause more problems than they solve but I will say I think they fit in pretty well in Ninja Storm.

I also think Disney did a great job making original villains and integrating them into their shows. Although Lothor sucked. Plus I love that unlike Saban, they actually spent money on their seasons to get casts who could act, writers who could write and shoot enough new footage to really make their seasons their own. Even when sticking pretty close to the core themes of the sentai.

I'll give them the credit of shooting new footage, but story wise and acting, definitely not.

[Locke]

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I'll give them the credit of shooting new footage, but story wise and acting, definitely not.

You're really saying Saban told better stories with better actors? That is hilarious man but I'm trying to be serious.

[ljacone]

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Kind of. I'm 5 episodes into the next disc and except for the third episode, the other four episodes have been either a reuse of old footage with no actual monster in it (unless you count Norman Pudgy Pig and the crystal ball as monsters, in fact, both episodes use the same Goldar/Scorpina fight sequences) or the only other two left over ZyuRanger monsters they did not use in the first 40 episodes. So far, the Goo Fish episode is the only one that uses Zyu2 footage. I think I am at the point when they do actually start using Zyu2 though.

Yeah, there's a few filler eps in there. But the rationale behind the change of Doomsday is accurate. Following Crystal Nightmare, we go headlong into Zyu2 -- Fighting Flea, Jellyfish, Mantis, Dramole, etc.

[Dr Kain]

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You're really saying Saban told better stories with better actors? That is hilarious man but I'm trying to be serious.

What I'm saying is that Saban's actors were on the same level as the Disney ones. Neither group were better than any others. Although, the OO are probably the worst in the history of the entire series. I mean, Kimberly's acting was no worse than Syd's. Tommy's acting was no better than Sky's. Actually, I'd say Astronema's acting was probably one of the best in the entire franchise.

Story wise, I still think PRiS trumps all of the other series.

Anyway, I just finished The Return of the Green Ranger and I am calling it good for one night. Tomorrow I'll finish the last disc of Season 1, which means it took me 4 days to get through all of Season 1. Maybe getting through this entire set won't be so hard after all.

[Locke]

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What I'm saying is that Saban's actors were on the same level as the Disney ones. Neither group were better than any others. Although, the OO are probably the worst in the history of the entire series. I mean, Kimberly's acting was no worse than Syd's. Tommy's acting was no better than Sky's. Actually, I'd say Astronema's acting was probably one of the best in the entire franchise.

Story wise, I still think PRiS trumps all of the other series.

Perhaps. But as they Disney writers were better, they got much better characters to play with, who had way more to do, so it actually made the acting come off a lot better.

I tried getting back into PRiS and just couldn't, the effects and acting were just awful and it really held me back. Loved it as a kid though.

[ljacone]

All this talk of MMPR made me go back and watch a favorite episode of mine - Second Chance, AKA Soccadillo wrecks up the place for 20 minutes. Possibly my favorite monster from the era, my only complaint about the ep is the change of how Soccadillo is defeated. Its clear from him blowing up that he was supposed to go down via the Ultrazord, but for some reason it is changed to the Power Sword. Anyway, great little memory trip for me.

Side note, the kid who played Roger would later be convicted of killing three people. Yikes.

[Matrixbeast]

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Side note, the kid who played Roger would later be convicted of killing three people. Yikes.

Child actors, man ._.