[Locke]

As this is the final position, I thinking this less blow for blow and more on how important the character is. RJ is just a blip in Power Rangers history when in many senses Tommy IS Power Rangers history.

Wrong way to go about it? Maybe, but I've watched more deserving Rangers go down time after time, there is nothing Ultimate about this team so the team at least deserves to have Tommy on it.

[xSkullheartx]

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Originally Posted by TheCivilShark

No one ever said this was exclusively MMPR era Tommy, so I'm voting for Tommy as White/Green in modern time because of Megaforce. RJ doesn't have a chance versus that guy.

Actually,Switch did.It says MMPR right by his name on the poll.That and the Megaforce version didn't happen yet.

[xSkullheartx]

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Originally Posted by Locke

As this is the final position, I thinking this less blow for blow and more on how important the character is. RJ is just a blip in Power Rangers history when in many senses Tommy IS Power Rangers history.

Wrong way to go about it? Maybe, but I've watched more deserving Rangers go down time after time, there is nothing Ultimate about this team so the team at least deserves to have Tommy on it.

So you're basically saying this whole tourney is null and void.All the other categories weren't based on importance,but skills/powers/personality/leadership.Grack went down the tubes cause of Tommy,yet you want him on the team "Cause he's Tommy"Not cause he's good,just cause he's Tommy.Then the whole ultimate team should just be MMPR.I mean if were going by importance instead of skills,without them there would be no Power Rangers so why not.

And as for there not being anything Ultimate about the team,could be further from the truth.I dare you to tell me Carter isnt the best red out there.Same goes for Jen.The others I do question,but its funny you say their not the ultimate.We have Adam because of Tommy's popularity and not clear voting.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by xSkullheartx

So you're basically saying this whole tourney is null and void.All the other categories weren't based on importance,but skills/powers/personality/leadership.Grack went down the tubes cause of Tommy,yet you want him on the team "Cause he's Tommy"Not cause he's good,just cause he's Tommy.Then the whole ultimate team should just be MMPR.I mean if were going by importance instead of skills,without them there would be no Power Rangers so why not.

And as for there not being anything Ultimate about the team,could be further from the truth.I dare you to tell me Carter isnt the best red out there.Same goes for Jen.The others I do question,but its funny you say their not the ultimate.We have Adam because of Tommy's popularity and not clear voting.

That isn't what I'm saying at all but with one position left, I'm making it count. Plus, everyone knows Tommy's skills and how much he overpowers pretty much everyone else but his detractors don't want to see or admit it, so there is no point debating it.

[SideswipePrime]

Coin flip time! Ok...heads, Tommy...tails, RJ...

*flips coin*

RJ.

[xSkullheartx]

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Originally Posted by Locke

That isn't what I'm saying at all but with one position left, I'm making it count. Plus, everyone knows Tommy's skills and how much he overpowers pretty much everyone else but his detractors don't want to see or admit it, so there is no point debating it.

So this is where the whole detractors thing came from.You assume I hate Tommy,yet I was strongly in support of him winning Grack.I could understand him winning that cause by the time he was Dino Thunder Black he had alot of experience and power under his belt.

I'm not taking anything away from him as MMPR Green/White,but comparing him to some of the sixths he's beaten already,its kind of a joke.Especially Kruger.I already said he would beat RJ,I knew he would.But Kruger was and will always be a better leader and fighter then Tommy.He proved that in his first fight and the fact of how many people he leads.

I also like how everyone that's supporting Tommy just gives the excuses of "He's powerful" or "He's the best ranger".No real proof to back it up,just people saying it.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by xSkullheartx

So this is where the whole detractors thing came from.You assume I hate Tommy,yet I was strongly in support of him winning Grack.I could understand him winning that cause by the time he was Dino Thunder Black he had alot of experience and power under his belt.

I'm not taking anything away from him as MMPR Green/White,but comparing him to some of the sixths he's beaten already,its kind of a joke.Especially Kruger.I already said he would beat RJ,I knew he would.But Kruger was and will always be a better leader and fighter then Tommy.He proved that in his first fight and the fact of how many people he leads.

I also like how everyone that's supporting Tommy just gives the excuses of "He's powerful" or "He's the best ranger".No real proof to back it up,just people saying it.

I don't assume anything, Adam got onto the team because people didn't want to vote for Tommy, Adam doesn't actually deserve to be here he just got a detractor majority vote and now he's taking up a spot Tommy should be in.

I wish Tommy wasn't in the sixth Ranger category so it could have played out in a more interesting way, but alas the detractors shot themselves in the foot and ruined the fun for everyone else. Eric or Ryan deserves to be in that Silver suit but third best is Tommy.

[xSkullheartx]

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Originally Posted by Locke

I don't assume anything, Adam got onto the team because people didn't want to vote for Tommy, Adam doesn't actually deserve to be here he just got a detractor majority vote and now he's taking up a spot Tommy should be in.

I wish Tommy wasn't in the sixth Ranger category so it could have played out in a more interesting way, but alas the detractors shot themselves in the foot and ruined the fun for everyone else. Eric or Ryan deserves to be in that Silver suit but third best is Tommy.

I can't disagree with you there.I honestly think he should be in Grack,which is why the tournament is the way it is now.Alot of Gracks got dumped because of voting Tommy to the finals just to dump him.If they wanted him in sixth,then let him lose first round,not the finals.

That being said,how could you not see that Kruger is a good sixth,if not the best.I admit,Ryan was really good.Eric was meh to me.Strong yes,but he was only a good leader when it was a team he wanted to lead.He was driven by jealousy and hate.Sure he had his sensitive side,but it wasn't shown till the end.I also understand him working up from the bottom to where he is now,but so have alot of other sixths as well.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by xSkullheartx

I can't disagree with you there.I honestly think he should be in Grack,which is why the tournament is the way it is now.Alot of Gracks got dumped because of voting Tommy to the finals just to dump him.If they wanted him in sixth,then let him lose first round,not the finals.

That being said,how could you not see that Kruger is a good sixth,if not the best.I admit,Ryan was really good.Eric was meh to me.Strong yes,but he was only a good leader when it was a team he wanted to lead.He was driven by jealousy and hate.Sure he had his sensitive side,but it wasn't shown till the end.I also understand him working up from the bottom to where he is now,but so have alot of other sixths as well.

Yeah the way Tommy got shafted really ended up being a waste of time and just caused further problems.

But in terms of Kruger, mainly because minus Sky, I didn't think SPD had good characters. Arcs played out too slowly and too inconsistently to really make the characters themselves meaningful. Kruger refused to pick up his sword because of what happened to his planet, his new love Kat was in danger so he donned the Ranger powers once again...oh wait my wife is actually alive, bye Kat. Oh well...that was underwhelming.

Not only is Eric strong, he had a consistent character arc which grew across the season and he's both had to support and lead, maybe he isn't perfect but he's my all time favourite Sixth and I think he has the evidence to prove he is a worthy favourite. Plus, unlike other sixes he appeared in Forever Red.

[TheCivilShark]

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Originally Posted by xSkullheartx

Actually,Switch did.It says MMPR right by his name on the poll.That and the Megaforce version didn't happen yet.

It says MMPR next to his name but the picture is definitely not from MMPR, and if that's the representation being used then that's who I'm voting for. Kruger is the only one with more Ranger experience than Tommy, he lost though so I voted for Tommy.