[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by KamenRiderOOO

There's some symbolism as to why PuToTyra wasn't used to finish the final fight and why TaJaDor was. Evolution. Dinosaurs (PuToTyra) getting beaten and outlived by their descendants, the birds (TaJaDor).

That's fine and dandy.

But it still meant that PuToTyra sucked up way too much time and basically made his other forms useless. And in making that little bit of symbolism the show basically made it seem like a pointless power up, since a form that he had aquired much earlier was ultimtely used to defeat the villain.

And that symbolism's kind of shaky when you realised the PuToTyra came way after TaJaDor. Not even right after, since ShaUTa was in between. Hell, ShaUTa was barely used itself.

OOO really fumbled the form changing. TaJaDor should've been the final form revealed. Perhaps only aquired after Ankh became complete. Then they could've pulled an evolution thing then, not right at the end when that symbolism was entirely absent literally until the final fight. But all it really did was make most of his forms seem useless and PuToTyra seem utterly pointless since his truely "useful" form was what ultimately led him to victory.

Also, that symbolism still doesn't work even ignoring all that, since Dinosaurs evolved into Birds. Birds did not "beat" or "outlive" dinosaurs, they ARE dinosaurs so to speak. Really if that's what they were going for, his final form should have been mammals, since they survived when dinosaurs could not.

AND that still doesn't make sense, since the fall of the dinosaurs was from outside interference. A meteor from space, not the nature running it's course. Dinosaurs lived for millions upon millions of years. Far longer than birds and mammals. They were evolutionarily strong, they were not beaten. Birds did not hit a home run, a train crashed onto the field and wiped out the opposing team.

[KyoryuGreen]

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Originally Posted by KamenRiderOOO

There's some symbolism as to why PuToTyra wasn't used to finish the final fight and why TaJaDor was. Evolution. Dinosaurs (PuToTyra) getting beaten and outlived by their descendants, the birds (TaJaDor).

Didn't catch that but does make a lot of sense.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by KyoryuGreen

Didn't catch that but does make a lot of sense.

It would if Dr. Maki was killed by a falling rock from outer space.

[KamenRiderOOO]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

That's fine and dandy.

But it still meant that PuToTyra sucked up way too much time and basically made his other forms useless. And in making that little bit of symbolism the show basically made it seem like a pointless power up, since a form that he had aquired much earlier was ultimtely used to defeat the villain.

I don't believe so. He did use the different main color combos even after he obtained PuToTyra. Considering PuToTyra's ability to "negate desire" and therefore kill the Greeed, it was the more effective combo to use. For example, RaToraTah had proven to be able to injure Mezool when she was incomplete. When she became "complete," his "sunlight" couldn't beat her. He needed the MedaGabryu to defeat her.

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And that symbolism's kind of shaky when you realised the PuToTyra came way after TaJaDor. Not even right after, since ShaUTa was in between. Hell, ShaUTa was barely used itself.

I see ShaUTa being barely used due to there not being that much call for an aquatic battle. Just like how Rod Form in Den-O was barely used.

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OOO really fumbled the form changing. TaJaDor should've been the final form revealed. Perhaps only aquired after Ankh became complete. Then they could've pulled an evolution thing then, not right at the end when that symbolism was entirely absent literally until the final fight. But all it really did was make most of his forms seem useless and PuToTyra seem utterly pointless since his truely "useful" form was what ultimately led him to victory.

Also, that symbolism still doesn't work even ignoring all that, since Dinosaurs evolved into Birds. Birds did not "beat" or "outlive" dinosaurs, they ARE dinosaurs so to speak. Really if that's what they were going for, his final form should have been mammals, since they survived when dinosaurs could not.

Technically, Birds and Mammals were present- Ankh's Cores (Birds) and Eiji himself (mammals/humanity.)

There actually is a whole symbolism thing going on. Reason Kazari was such a manipulative bastard? He's based on Big Cats, which like to hunt and devour birds, aquatic life, and heavy animals. He's cunning and a dangerous predator. Uva being the last of the 4 main villain Greeeds? He's based on insects, and what category does a cockroach, which is known to be able to survive even the harshest conditions, falls into? Mezool's weakness to the sunlight attack of RaToraTah? The heat dehydrates her. Gamel being not being the brightest guy around? Heavy animals tend to move slowly. And Kazari "dying" at a combination of PuToTyra and Maki's Greeed form? Even though he was "top predator," it shows what would happen if dinosaurs were still around.

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AND that still doesn't make sense, since the fall of the dinosaurs was from outside interference. A meteor from space, not the nature running it's course. Dinosaurs lived for millions upon millions of years. Far longer than birds and mammals. They were evolutionarily strong, they were not beaten. Birds did not hit a home run, a train crashed onto the field and wiped out the opposing team.

Actually, the impact theory is still just that, a theory. Whether a meteor actually impacted and "killed" the dinosaurs, there are also the theories of disease and the drop in temperature. Granted if the meteor impact theory had been proven to be true, the results of the meteor impacting would have killed the dinosaurs.

That and they discovered the supposed meteor that impacted actually hit 80 million years ago, while the end of the Mesozoic was 66 million years ago.

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

It would if Dr. Maki was killed by a falling rock from outer space.

That would ruin all the fun of him imploding into a black hole with temporal properties

[Sentai]

I told you not to get him started.

[KRX]

I'm sorry, I didn't know I was in the "What are you watching? (Kamen Rider edition)" thread.

Anyway, I like this Rider (although he seems a bit similar to Beast Hyper).

[uchihabro77]

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Originally Posted by Sentai

I told you not to get him started.

They never listen do they Sentai?

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

That's fine and dandy.

But it still meant that PuToTyra sucked up way too much time and basically made his other forms useless. And in making that little bit of symbolism the show basically made it seem like a pointless power up, since a form that he had aquired much earlier was ultimtely used to defeat the villain.

And that symbolism's kind of shaky when you realised the PuToTyra came way after TaJaDor. Not even right after, since ShaUTa was in between. Hell, ShaUTa was barely used itself.

OOO really fumbled the form changing. TaJaDor should've been the final form revealed. Perhaps only aquired after Ankh became complete. Then they could've pulled an evolution thing then, not right at the end when that symbolism was entirely absent literally until the final fight. But all it really did was make most of his forms seem useless and PuToTyra seem utterly pointless since his truely "useful" form was what ultimately led him to victory.

Also, that symbolism still doesn't work even ignoring all that, since Dinosaurs evolved into Birds. Birds did not "beat" or "outlive" dinosaurs, they ARE dinosaurs so to speak. Really if that's what they were going for, his final form should have been mammals, since they survived when dinosaurs could not.

AND that still doesn't make sense, since the fall of the dinosaurs was from outside interference. A meteor from space, not the nature running it's course. Dinosaurs lived for millions upon millions of years. Far longer than birds and mammals. They were evolutionarily strong, they were not beaten. Birds did not hit a home run, a train crashed onto the field and wiped out the opposing team.

I agree 100% with this. The Dinosaur Form just appears, and then takes over, for no reason. It's established that the Combos are all and powerful, designed to take down the Greed. And even if we say 'oh yeah but the Greed evolved beyond them'...the show didn't...show that as Eiji was kicking ass as he always did.

All it did was waste half the show yammering on about the importance of Combos only to make them completely redundant as soon as they come into play.

Considering TaJaDor was Ankh's form, and in Eiji's case a 'complete' form for Ankh it should have all felt way more important, their relationship was central to the story, completion is Ankh's reason for living (at first) and this was Eiji using his cores but it was just another form change and just another form change used in the movies about as much as it's used in the show, pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Starscreamer

Just to to TFW and say you have a MP Sounwave that has be to picked up in person...

[Sentai]

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Originally Posted by uchihabro77

They never listen do they Sentai?

No, they never do.

[Matrixbeast]

Man, a new Kamen Rider is on the horizon, and all I want to do now is rewatch OOO