[EnerPrime]

Hey, Wizard's still got less forms than Kuuga, W and OOO.

As for Den-O's final form, I always prefered Liner form because of what it represents. It's Ryotaro coming into his own and showing that he has what it takes to fight the monsters without being posessed. Liner form is Ryotaro using the Imagin's powers to fight instead of them using his body. Climax form is presented as more of a joke, a 'everybody dogpile on Ryotaro' kind of thing. Heck, Climax's first appearance consists of Momo complaing about how much the transformation sucks for him.

I know there's lots of good arguments for Climax to be the final form, but for me it boils down to whether I consider Ryotaro or the Imagin to be the 'real' Den-O. And I've always favoured Ryotaro as being Den-O.

[losondro]

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Originally Posted by EnerPrime

Hey, Wizard's still got less forms than Kuuga, W and OOO.

As for Den-O's final form, I always prefered Liner form because of what it represents. It's Ryotaro coming into his own and showing that he has what it takes to fight the monsters without being posessed. Liner form is Ryotaro using the Imagin's powers to fight instead of them using his body. Climax form is presented as more of a joke, a 'everybody dogpile on Ryotaro' kind of thing. Heck, Climax's first appearance consists of Momo complaing about how much the transformation sucks for him.

I know there's lots of good arguments for Climax to be the final form, but for me it boils down to whether I consider Ryotaro or the Imagin to be the 'real' Den-O. And I've always favoured Ryotaro as being Den-O.

Don't forget he was on fire at first for climax form.

[Sentai]

There's to many posts about it to quite each one, so here's hoping you're paying attention.

Wizard's problem wasn't that there were to many Forms. Wizards problem was all his Forms did the same exact thing as the Lesser Form they were meant to replace. Fire Dragon is just a stronger Fire, Wind Dragon is just a stronger Wind, and so on. Fourze, OOO, W, all of their Upgrades did something different. Magnet was different than Eleki, TaJaDor was different than PuToTyra, Fang Joker was different than Heat Metal. What should've happened was Wizard should've gotten only one single Dragon Form that encompassed all four Styles into one package. It would've been a complete upgrade instead of just a new Form which only slightly upgrades powers he already has. Infinity does this but by then the damage was already done. And I know he needs a special Movie Form but Infinity Dragon just seems lazy somehow. Fourze's Meteor Fusion might look goofy but atleast it wasn't like anything he had before. Nadeshiko Meteor Fusion was needless. It just gave him rockets and skis.. Woo?
Hopefully Gaimu doesn't fall into this trap, and from the look of it so far it doesn't. Each Fruit does something completely different and that's good. But time will tell.

[EnerPrime]

Honestly, I don't figure the Dragon forms to really be their own unique forms so much as a more thorough version of Kuuga's Rising upgrades. A power up that he can apply to each of his base forms. It might have worked better if he just got one 'dragon' ring that he could apply to each of his four styles, but I have no problems with the dragon forms as is.

[Powerman293]

I heard all Dragon is stronger then infinity. Is this true?

[Locke]

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I heard all Dragon is stronger then infinity. Is this true?

I dunno. The thing with Infinity is it doesn't seem to really do...anything, he gets like a sparkly teleport power and becomes as hard as...diamonds I suppose but that is it while All Dragon allowed him to kick a Phantom into the sun. So if this is the caps of both of their powers, then All Dragon is stronger, if not and Infinity is still waiting to actually do something then....

[losondro]

Of course we have to wait and see how Wizard's Final strike turns out, with it being a combo of all dragon and infinity.

[Powerman293]

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Of course we have to wait and see how Wizard's Final strike turns out, with it being a combo of all dragon and infinity.

Wait, could Final Strike be similar to how when a Rider dies in Ryuki, a contract monster eats its energy..... So could Haruto finally be feeding his Phantom? Orma is in for some serious hell when he gdts Rider kicked by Infinity Dragon

[Sentai]

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Originally Posted by EnerPrime

Honestly, I don't figure the Dragon forms to really be their own unique forms so much as a more thorough version of Kuuga's Rising upgrades. A power up that he can apply to each of his base forms. It might have worked better if he just got one 'dragon' ring that he could apply to each of his four styles, but I have no problems with the dragon forms as is.

That's almost exactly what I said

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Originally Posted by Powerman293

I heard all Dragon is stronger then infinity. Is this true?

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Originally Posted by Locke

I dunno. The thing with Infinity is it doesn't seem to really do...anything, he gets like a sparkly teleport power and becomes as hard as...diamonds I suppose but that is it while All Dragon allowed him to kick a Phantom into the sun. So if this is the caps of both of their powers, then All Dragon is stronger, if not and Infinity is still waiting to actually do something then....

Infinity is supossed to be the ultimate expression of the power he shares with Dragon. But apparently we have an Infinity Dragon coming soon. So that'll be the ultimate ultimate expression of his power with Dragon. How much closer to the Phantom could he get?! As for which is stronger. It's hard knowing with Wizard. The writer's keep deliberately changing the power ceiling of each form on a near weekly basis. Wizard, the Aizen/Goku of Kamen Rider.

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Originally Posted by losondro

Of course we have to wait and see how Wizard's Final strike turns out, with it being a combo of all dragon and infinity.

My guess it'll still look like he's a bald silver RingPop.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Sentai

Infinity is supossed to be the ultimate expression of the power he shares with Dragon. But apparently we have an Infinity Dragon coming soon. So that'll be the ultimate ultimate expression of his power with Dragon. How much closer to the Phantom could he get?! As for which is stronger. It's hard knowing with Wizard. The writer's keep deliberately changing the power ceiling of each form on a near weekly basis. Wizard, the Aizen/Goku of Kamen Rider.

But Infinity is nothing like his inner Dragon, so really All Dragon should be his Final Form as that is him becoming a Dragon basically. Or this new Infinity Dragon. Infinity just doesn't really fit with Wizard's theme at all.