[Powerman293]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Yes. Yes I am. I'm reading the Dresden Files alongside this which clearly defines what magic is, the set of rules and how it all works. Everything was explained in the latest Wizard episode with either the word 'magic', the word 'science' or the word 'Sabbat', you could make this into a hilarious word game pretty easily.

I don't know if an explanation for me would be nessicary but it does help a lot. I want you to point out which of these two parrallels I know that could best help explain your frustartion with understanding Wizard's magic system.

I am reading the manga Psyren right now and they have the 3 types of Physic powers explained along with intresting ways of explaining how characters control thier powers. One characters forms something called a "Program" making the analogy of a set of tasks It has to do like a computer.

I also am reading Yugioh 5D's and there's this thing called "Sense" which the writers really don't explain very well or at all. It has something to do with how fast your duel runner is and painful impacts or..... something. I think it works like Physic powers do in Psyren but its pretty sad when I have to draw a parrallel and guess about how your system works rather then telling me

[Locke]

Plus, I have more frustration, because Wizard builds itself from established lore. As much as things like OOOs and Fourze were poorly explained, they at least had something unique in their mythology. Wizard has literally billions of sources they could turn to for information on magic types and wizard types. So there is really no excuse for having no explanation for how anything works here at all. How do shows making shit up as they go come across more thought out and logically sound than a show that literally has a library of choice to build upon?

[baltmatrix]

Huh. This was a good ep. This was a very good ep. Good plot, good acting, good action. I'm impressed. And now with the news that Wizard is going to go for 53 eps they could easily make this a very strong finish.

Though I did have one complaint: I guessed that Koyomi was the p-stone way back when it was first mentioned. Wizard has NOT done a very good job of hiding it's story secretes .

[Sentai]

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Originally Posted by baltmatrix

Huh. This was a good ep. This was a very good ep. Good plot, good acting, good action. I'm impressed. And now with the news that Wizard is going to go for 53 eps they could easily make this a very strong finish.

Though I did have one complaint: I guessed that Koyomi was the p-stone way back when it was first mentioned. Wizard has NOT done a very good job of hiding it's story secretes .

Didn't help nearly the same thing happened in Full Metal Alchemist. And Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

[KRX]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Yes. Yes I am. I'm reading the Dresden Files alongside this which clearly defines what magic is, the set of rules and how it all works. Everything was explained in the latest Wizard episode with either the word 'magic', the word 'science' or the word 'Sabbat', you could make this into a hilarious word game pretty easily.

Here's everything I could find about magic in Kamen Rider Wizard:

*Magic Portals.
*Magic Stones.
*Gates.
*Phantom.

Basically, Gates are humans with magical potential. This potential is what allows them to create Phantoms when they fall into despair. If they are able to hold in the Phantom, they are able to use magic. To cast spells, a wizard needs a driver and a Wizard Ring. Wizard Rings are made from Magic Stones. There are many types of Magic Stones, each of which cast a different spell. When placed in front of a driver, a Wizard Ring opens a Magic Portal that casts the spell, be it a transformation spell or a general magical spell.

Phantoms are living organisms. Therefore, they contain DNA. Given the fact that Chimera exists, Phantoms have been around for centuries, so it is possible for Fueki to obtain the DNA of a Carbuncle Phantom, clone it in a laboratory, and implant it within himself to imbue magical potential into him.

The Philosopher's Stone is the most powerful type of Magic Stone. We don't know everything about it yet, but we do know is that it can reanimate the dead (though not their memories) and is used in the Sabbat. It needs a constant infusion of mana in order to function, mana which can only be provided by Wizards.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by KRX

Here's everything I could find about magic in Kamen Rider Wizard:

*Magic Portals.
*Magic Stones.
*Gates.
*Phantom.

Basically, Gates are humans with magical potential. This potential is what allows them to create Phantoms when they fall into despair. If they are able to hold in the Phantom, they are able to use magic. To cast spells, a wizard needs a driver and a Wizard Ring. Wizard Rings are made from Magic Stones. There are many types of Magic Stones, each of which cast a different spell. When placed in front of a driver, a Wizard Ring opens a Magic Portal that casts the spell, be it a transformation spell or a general magical spell.

Phantoms are living organisms. Therefore, they contain DNA. Given the fact that Chimera exists, Phantoms have been around for centuries, so it is possible for Fueki to obtain the DNA of a Carbuncle Phantom, clone it in a laboratory, and implant it within himself to imbue magical potential into him.

The Philosopher's Stone is the most powerful type of Magic Stone. We don't know everything about it yet, but we do know is that it can reanimate the dead (though not their memories) and is used in the Sabbat. It needs a constant infusion of mana in order to function, mana which can only be provided by Wizards.

Once again. You're saying what, not how or why. As far as it goes, magic in this show involves suppressing a monster, putting a magic jewel in a ring and getting an annoying belt. Where do these stones come from? What is the belt, and how does it work? Why not turn those stones into bullets or something more practical? And yes, I am splitting hairs, but as I said a few posts above, magic is already a thing unlike homunculus medals or switches that control the universe or whatever, so there is no excuse for how little is explored or explained at all in this shows mythology. Exploration and playing with mythology is like the main thing I love about urban fantasy so I hate the lack of it here.

Hell for that matter, what is a Phantom, where does it come from? Why isn't everyone a Gate? These are the unique aspects of this shows lore, so at least explain these.

[Den-O]

Why does any of that even matter? In this universe those things exist, why question how they exist or why they function? They simply do. Do people question why there's a time travelling train in Den-O? Sure, but the answer simply is there just is a time travelling train. No one questions why fangire exist in Kiva and have a hierarchy based on kings and queens. They just do, that's the nature of their race. Or how on Earth Kanzaki Shiro created high tech card decks and suits of armor for people to fight a rider war in Ryuki, when he was just a college student. He just did it, it was a basic premise of the series. Things like that don't always need ot be explained. You're looking way in depth for something that doesn't really need an explanation to be valid. That's just the way things are in Wizards' world.

[KRX]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Once again. You're saying what, not how or why. As far as it goes, magic in this show involves suppressing a monster, putting a magic jewel in a ring and getting an annoying belt. Where do these stones come from? What is the belt, and how does it work? Why not turn those stones into bullets or something more practical? And yes, I am splitting hairs, but as I said a few posts above, magic is already a thing unlike homunculus medals or switches that control the universe or whatever, so there is no excuse for how little is explored or explained at all in this shows mythology. Exploration and playing with mythology is like the main thing I love about urban fantasy so I hate the lack of it here.

Hell for that matter, what is a Phantom, where does it come from? Why isn't everyone a Gate? These are the unique aspects of this shows lore, so at least explain these.

Phantoms are a species, with many subspecies populating their ranks. Why are some people Gates? I would think the same question can be asked for why some people have blonde hair or black hair or brown hair or purple hair with hot-pink polka dots. The belt is basically a magic wand. You could turn Magic Stones into bullets, but people just don't want to. Magic Stones come from Carbuncle Phantoms.

Most of our complaints are really nitpicks. I don't understand why you question a belt with a swappable hand buckle and how it works, and not a control panel that you shove switches into to gain power from a type of energy that doesn't exist in our universe.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by KRX

Phantoms are a species, with many subspecies populating their ranks. Why are some people Gates? I would think the same question can be asked for why some people have blonde hair or black hair or brown hair or purple hair with hot-pink polka dots. The belt is basically a magic wand. You could turn Magic Stones into bullets, but people just don't want to. Magic Stones come from Carbuncle Phantoms.

Most of our complaints are really nitpicks. I don't understand why you question a belt with a swappable hand buckle and how it works, and not a control panel that you shove switches into to gain power from a type of energy that doesn't exist in our universe.

You see, this all sounds really cool, if the show had explored all of this I probably would have enjoyed this episode way more. But yeah, this is the first major criticism I've had with the series really, for reasons I've explain multiple times and am going to explain to Den-O again.

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Originally Posted by Den-O

Why does any of that even matter? In this universe those things exist, why question how they exist or why they function? They simply do. Do people question why there's a time travelling train in Den-O? Sure, but the answer simply is there just is a time travelling train. No one questions why fangire exist in Kiva and have a hierarchy based on kings and queens. They just do, that's the nature of their race. Or how on Earth Kanzaki Shiro created high tech card decks and suits of armor for people to fight a rider war in Ryuki, when he was just a college student. He just did it, it was a basic premise of the series. Things like that don't always need ot be explained. You're looking way in depth for something that doesn't really need an explanation to be valid. That's just the way things are in Wizards' world.

Because magic is a thing. I can cut some slack for writers trying completely original ideas, but the whole magic and wizards thing has been fine tuned by authors for hundreds of years. When you're making it from the ground up, there is bound to be points where you literally can't answering everything and I wouldn't expect you too. But Wizard's writers, if ever stuck, only need to pop onto the nearest Wikipedia page for inspiration. There are like a billion magic types, and a billion more variations on the mythology, so how can everything in this show be so poorly realised? I understand space switches more than I understand the magic in this show, and there is a problem when that is a sentence you write with conviction.

[Captain Marvelous]

Erm, Magic isn't supposed to make sense, that's why it's Magic. I'd expect Fourze to make be more logical since it's essentially Sci Fi but Wizard actually has more logic by comparison.