[KRX]

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Originally Posted by Locke

You see, this all sounds really cool, if the show had explored all of this I probably would have enjoyed this episode way more. But yeah, this is the first major criticism I've had with the series really, for reasons I've explain multiple times and am going to explain to Den-O again.



Because magic is a thing. I can cut some slack for writers trying completely original ideas, but the whole magic and wizards thing has been fine tuned by authors for hundreds of years. When you're making it from the ground up, there is bound to be points where you literally can't answering everything and I wouldn't expect you too. But Wizard's writers, if ever stuck, only need to pop onto the nearest Wikipedia page for inspiration. There are like a billion magic types, and a billion more variations on the mythology, so how can everything in this show be so poorly realised? I understand space switches more than I understand the magic in this show, and there is a problem when that is a sentence you write with conviction.

I think you need to realize is that this is not a show meant to explore how magic works. This is a story about a guy who gets sucked into a whole world of trouble when a man tries to reanimate the dead. Yes, there are some very cool concepts in the show, but if you want explanations for them, you'll have to do some of the work on your own. Not even Lord of the Rings explained how magic works, and that is hailed as one of the greatest fantasies of all time. There not making the show from the ground up, they're tweaking elements from general fantasy. Instead of a magic wand and a spell, you have Wizard Rings and a Driver. Instead of mythical creature body parts to power the wand, you have Magic Stones to power the Wizard Rings. Instead of magical energy from an unknown source, you have mana from Phantoms. But in the end, the story is about the characters, not the concepts.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by KRX

I think you need to realize is that this is not a show meant to explore how magic works. This is a story about a guy who gets sucked into a whole world of trouble when a man tries to reanimate the dead. Yes, there are some very cool concepts in the show, but if you want explanations for them, you'll have to do some of the work on your own. Not even Lord of the Rings explained how magic works, and that is hailed as one of the greatest fantasies of all time. There not making the show from the ground up, they're tweaking elements from general fantasy. Instead of a magic wand and a spell, you have Wizard Rings and a Driver. Instead of mythical creature body parts to power the wand, you have Magic Stones to power the Wizard Rings. Instead of magical energy from an unknown source, you have mana from Phantoms. But in the end, the story is about the characters, not the concepts.

Yeah but why isn't it? Why isn't that the focus? He is called 'Wizard' this is the only Rider series to my knowledge that uses magic, the show constantly goes on about magic and Wizard's and yet any of Wizard's inner workings are something the show assumes expendable and brushes over.

The Wizard's themselves are far more interesting to me than anything else in this show, I'm still waiting to find out what Fueki meant when he called Beast an 'archetype', but I'm guessing it'll never come. I hope some point in the future they make a series that blends Blade's focus on the actual Rider's powers themselves and builds itself on an urban fantasy foundation like Wizard.

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Originally Posted by Captain Marvelous

Erm, Magic isn't supposed to make sense, that's why it's Magic. I'd expect Fourze to make be more logical since it's essentially Sci Fi but Wizard actually has more logic by comparison.

Magic makes perfect sense in the Dresden Files.

[Galvantula]

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Originally Posted by Locke

But that is the problem! It's so frustrating, this series takes so much unnecessary flack and I'm always jumping in to defend it. Then the one time I have a genuine, major concern with the series everyone is jumping in to defend the series and tell me how I'm wrong. This community is so nuts sometimes.

For the first time I think we're on the same page here, Locke. It's certainly been a strange ride overall with Wizard. People change their thoughts on it faster than any other Toku series and when it's all said and done I think we'll be able to fully and fairly judge it based on both its merits and quirks.

[KRX]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah but why isn't it? Why isn't that the focus? He is called 'Wizard' this is the only Rider series to my knowledge that uses magic, the show constantly goes on about magic and Wizard's and yet any of Wizard's inner workings are something the show assumes expendable and brushes over.

The Wizard's themselves are far more interesting to me than anything else in this show, I'm still waiting to find out what Fueki meant when he called Beast an 'archetype', but I'm guessing it'll never come. I hope some point in the future they make a series that blends Blade's focus on the actual Rider's powers themselves and builds itself on an urban fantasy foundation like Wizard.

The Wizards may be interesting, but the show is about the people who are the Wizards, and not what makes the Wizards tick.

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Magic makes perfect sense in the Dresden Files.

This isn't The Dresden Files. This is Kamen Rider. We have this:



Things were never meant to make sense.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Galvantula

For the first time I think we're on the same page here, Locke. It's certainly been a strange ride overall with Wizard. People change their thoughts on it faster than any other Toku series and when it's all said and done I think we'll be able to fully and fairly judge it based on both its merits and quirks.

It really has, huh? Usually the table turns on the most bizarre things as well. I still remember that time I had a debate with Matrix, after his first enjoyed episode for ages was that one where the entire episode focused on a kid learning to ride a bike. And different strokes for different folks, but I could not fathom for the life of me how he could legitimately claim that a 'great' episode while so regularly shredding the show for everything else.

I will be interested to see what the sheep hivemind have to say about the series overall. I'm assuming going by current logic, if it has the most terrible finale out of Kamen Rider history, the hivemind will send out its drones to claim this the greatest Rider series of a generation.

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Originally Posted by KRX

The Wizards may be interesting, but the show is about the people who are the Wizards, and not what makes the Wizards tick.



This isn't The Dresden Files. This is Kamen Rider. We have this:



Things were never meant to make sense.

I understand that this isn't the Dresden Files, but Magic can and most of the time does make sense. So that is no excuse for how little this show makes sense. But it's funny that people shred this series for the smallest, most pathetic shit and then when there is a genuine problem people are clambering in with the flimsiest arguments the can find to defend it. This is the most insane debate I think I've had here, I feel like I've fallen into this bizarro world where everyone loves Wizard but me. I dunno which universe I prefer, as in both I am alone.

[Galvantula]

That's true KRX, there's a lot that you have to accept when watching KR and for the most part I've been happy with its weirdness.

Wiz's weirdness just didn't click for me. I wish I could connect with the emotional impact of what just went down, but darn it I cannot.

I just wish the last few parts will go by smoothly and perhaps the show can at least have a strong finish.

[Switchblade]

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Originally Posted by KRX

This isn't The Dresden Files. This is Kamen Rider. We have this:



Things were never meant to make sense.

Yay, X Rider!

I wish that was subbed so that more people would watch it.

[KRX]

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Originally Posted by Locke

It really has, huh? Usually the table turns on the most bizarre things as well. I still remember that time I had a debate with Matrix, after his first enjoyed episode for ages was that one where the entire episode focused on a kid learning to ride a bike. And different strokes for different folks, but I could not fathom for the life of me how he could legitimately claim that a 'great' episode while so regularly shredding the show for everything else.

I will be interested to see what the sheep hivemind have to say about the series overall. I'm assuming going by current logic, if it has the most terrible finale out of Kamen Rider history, the hivemind will send out its drones to claim this the greatest Rider series of a generation.



I understand that this isn't the Dresden Files, but Magic can and most of the time does make sense. So that is no excuse for how little this show makes sense. But it's funny that people shred this series for the smallest, most pathetic shit and then when there is a genuine problem people are clambering in with the flimsiest arguments the can find to defend it. This is the most insane debate I think I've had here, I feel like I've fallen into this bizarro world where everyone loves Wizard but me. I dunno which universe I prefer, as in both I am alone.

I never really had much of a problem with Wizard. Is it flawed? Undeniably. It doesn't use its side characters to their full potential, (R.I.P., Daimon Gunslinger,) it doesn't really focus on the larger, over-arching story as often as it should, I really don't like the color-scheme of the series, (everything is too saturated,) and it feels rushed at times. It is far from the best that Kamen Rider has produced, but when it does well, it does well, and when it fails, it's usually tolerable (for me, anyway). Besides, if you watch a few more seasons, Wizard actually offers a lot more explanations than some other seasons (Kamen Rider Kabuto, I love you, you have to understand that, but I just can't ignore the fact that the Perfect Zecter came out of nowhere).

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Originally Posted by Galvantula

That's true KRX, there's a lot that you have to accept when watching KR and for the most part I've been happy with its weirdness.

Wiz's weirdness just didn't click for me. I wish I could connect with the emotional impact of what just went down, but darn it I cannot.

I just wish the last few parts will go by smoothly and perhaps the show can at least have a strong finish.

I can respect that. Everyone has different tolerances for strangeness.

[NGW]

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Originally Posted by KRX

The Wizards may be interesting, but the show is about the people who are the Wizards, and not what makes the Wizards tick.



This isn't The Dresden Files. This is Kamen Rider. We have this:



Things were never meant to make sense.

Still holding out for the Starfish Hitler figuart.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by KRX

I never really had much of a problem with Wizard. Is it flawed? Undeniably. It doesn't use its side characters to their full potential, (R.I.P., Daimon Gunslinger,) it doesn't really focus on the larger, over-arching story as often as it should, I really don't like the color-scheme of the series, (everything is too saturated,) and it feels rushed at times. It is far from the best that Kamen Rider has produced, but when it does well, it does well, and when it fails, it's usually tolerable (for me, anyway). Besides, if you watch a few more seasons, Wizard actually offers a lot more explanations than some other seasons (Kamen Rider Kabuto, I love you, you have to understand that, but I just can't ignore the fact that the Perfect Zecter came out of nowhere).

Yeah man, I love Wizard, I'm usually the one person defending it while everyone else picks it apart for the smallest most pathetic shit. But this episode was bad, things came together poorly and it disappointed me.