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Locke · 08-27-2013, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

That was kind of the point. Phoenix was always there to serve as the power bar for Phantoms, and Haruto killing him was to show how far Haruto had grown in power and ability.

That, and he had a bitchin' design.

So his point, was to have no point? As all he did was just stand about. It was like watching a really shitty, poor man's version of the classic Shounen rivalry without any of the stuff that make those interesting. Phoenix was certainly no Vegeta or Grimmjow that's for damn sure.

KamenRiderOOO · 08-27-2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

So his point, was to have no point? As all he did was just stand about. It was like watching a really shitty, poor man's version of the classic Shounen rivalry without any of the stuff that make those interesting. Phoenix was certainly no Vegeta or Grimmjow that's for damn sure.

I think part of his point was to show the fact that Phantoms are not redeemable nor can they show true kindness and trust, no matter how kind they were in their past life. Rinko put her trust in him and talked out with him after learning who his Gate was, and just when she thought he was kind he still decided to follow the path of destruction. Sure Gremlin kinda showed that too, but he was a psychopath from the start.

Matrixbeast · 08-27-2013, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

So his point, was to have no point? As all he did was just stand about. It was like watching a really shitty, poor man's version of the classic Shounen rivalry without any of the stuff that make those interesting. Phoenix was certainly no Vegeta or Grimmjow that's for damn sure.

He was never intended to be a rival. Phoenix's ultimate goal was always to serve as the one to set the bar. It's not that he didn't have a point, because it's quite clear why he was there. He was always intended to be a shallow character who existed to show just how much Haruto had grown.

The better equivalent would be Ginyu and Renji, both characters who were hyped up, and then proceeded to defeat the hero, just to return later and get utterly trounced to show how far the heroes of their respective series had come.

Locke · 08-27-2013, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

He was never intended to be a rival. Phoenix's ultimate goal was always to serve as the one to set the bar. It's not that he didn't have a point, because it's quite clear why he was there. He was always intended to be a shallow character who existed to show just how much Haruto had grown.

The better equivalent would be Ginyu and Renji, both characters who were hyped up, and then proceeded to defeat the hero, just to return later and get utterly trounced to show how far the heroes of their respective series had come.

But there was none of that build up, that made those showdowns so epic, he just stood around doing fuck all, they repeated that shot over and over for about ten episodes of him shouting in the rain even when the context had long been forgotten and then he died.

Den-O · 08-27-2013, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

But there was none of that build up, that made those showdowns so epic, he just stood around doing fuck all, they repeated that shot over and over for about ten episodes of him shouting in the rain even when the context had long been forgotten and then he died.

Guess you weren't watching when he tried to murder that kids parents and drove Haruto to obtain Flame Dragon which allowed Haruto to kill him. And then the other successive times he fought Haruto in his other forms and died and came back stronger every time. Ultimately resulting in TRAPPING HIM IN THE DAMN SUN because he'd grown so powerful. If that's not build up then I don't know what is.

xSkullheartx · 08-27-2013, 07:56 PM

Is it just me who thinks that the powered up enemy looks like Gremlin and White Wizard combined?

Den-O · 08-27-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by xSkullheartx

Is it just me who thinks that the powered up enemy looks like Gremlin and White Wizard combined?

You know I don't see that, but your point makes me think of something else. What if since Gremlin is a human at heart, a human within a Phantom, he's sort of a reverse Wizard? Access to a different kind of magic and all that. Maybe that's why he can use Fueki's Cane, maybe he's able to use rings without knowing it? That could be what alters his form, maybe because of the nature of his being he was using the Philosopher's Stone to become human but it instead warped him into that?

KamenRiderOOO · 08-27-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by xSkullheartx

Is it just me who thinks that the powered up enemy looks like Gremlin and White Wizard combined?

I bring your attention to my post on the previous page

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Originally Posted by KamenRiderOOO

My theory is just as Fueki is almost done with the Sabbath, Gremlin intervenes and absorbs/kills Fueki, adding his mana to his own, giving him his new form and Fueki's HammerCane.

Also, dat Goth Haruka Tomatsu/Canderrilla O_O <3

TheCivilShark · 08-27-2013, 08:02 PM

http://www.jefusion.com/2013/08/kyor...-unveiled.html This makes Red seem really bullshit powerful.

ShockerCon · 08-27-2013, 08:04 PM

They're making it pretty obvious Torin is gonna be Silver.

08-27-2013, 07:35 PM	#11
Locke Big Bad Wolf. Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Raiding tombs. Posts: 9,529	Quote: Originally Posted by Matrixbeast That was kind of the point. Phoenix was always there to serve as the power bar for Phantoms, and Haruto killing him was to show how far Haruto had grown in power and ability. That, and he had a bitchin' design. So his point, was to have no point? As all he did was just stand about. It was like watching a really shitty, poor man's version of the classic Shounen rivalry without any of the stuff that make those interesting. Phoenix was certainly no Vegeta or Grimmjow that's for damn sure. __________________

08-27-2013, 07:42 PM	#12
KamenRiderOOO Resident Customizer The Guy with the Voices @TrueKROOO Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Visalia, CA Posts: 11,089	Quote: Originally Posted by Locke So his point, was to have no point? As all he did was just stand about. It was like watching a really shitty, poor man's version of the classic Shounen rivalry without any of the stuff that make those interesting. Phoenix was certainly no Vegeta or Grimmjow that's for damn sure. I think part of his point was to show the fact that Phantoms are not redeemable nor can they show true kindness and trust, no matter how kind they were in their past life. Rinko put her trust in him and talked out with him after learning who his Gate was, and just when she thought he was kind he still decided to follow the path of destruction. Sure Gremlin kinda showed that too, but he was a psychopath from the start. __________________ My signature disappeared. Help.

08-27-2013, 07:43 PM	#13
Matrixbeast Mighty Morphin Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Za Warudo Posts: 25,454	Quote: Originally Posted by Locke So his point, was to have no point? As all he did was just stand about. It was like watching a really shitty, poor man's version of the classic Shounen rivalry without any of the stuff that make those interesting. Phoenix was certainly no Vegeta or Grimmjow that's for damn sure. He was never intended to be a rival. Phoenix's ultimate goal was always to serve as the one to set the bar. It's not that he didn't have a point, because it's quite clear why he was there. He was always intended to be a shallow character who existed to show just how much Haruto had grown. The better equivalent would be Ginyu and Renji, both characters who were hyped up, and then proceeded to defeat the hero, just to return later and get utterly trounced to show how far the heroes of their respective series had come. __________________

08-27-2013, 07:45 PM	#14
Locke Big Bad Wolf. Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Raiding tombs. Posts: 9,529	Quote: Originally Posted by Matrixbeast He was never intended to be a rival. Phoenix's ultimate goal was always to serve as the one to set the bar. It's not that he didn't have a point, because it's quite clear why he was there. He was always intended to be a shallow character who existed to show just how much Haruto had grown. The better equivalent would be Ginyu and Renji, both characters who were hyped up, and then proceeded to defeat the hero, just to return later and get utterly trounced to show how far the heroes of their respective series had come. But there was none of that build up, that made those showdowns so epic, he just stood around doing fuck all, they repeated that shot over and over for about ten episodes of him shouting in the rain even when the context had long been forgotten and then he died. __________________

08-27-2013, 07:51 PM	#15
Den-O Admin AKA Zordon Content Director @DenO_TokuNation Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 16,328	Quote: Originally Posted by Locke But there was none of that build up, that made those showdowns so epic, he just stood around doing fuck all, they repeated that shot over and over for about ten episodes of him shouting in the rain even when the context had long been forgotten and then he died. Guess you weren't watching when he tried to murder that kids parents and drove Haruto to obtain Flame Dragon which allowed Haruto to kill him. And then the other successive times he fought Haruto in his other forms and died and came back stronger every time. Ultimately resulting in TRAPPING HIM IN THE DAMN SUN because he'd grown so powerful. If that's not build up then I don't know what is. __________________

08-27-2013, 08:02 PM	#19
TheCivilShark Half-Boiled Shark Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 169	http://www.jefusion.com/2013/08/kyor...-unveiled.html This makes Red seem really bullshit powerful. Last edited by TheCivilShark; 08-27-2013 at 08:04 PM..