How would you make a kamen rider series better?

henshinzero · 09-11-2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by algo448

Who Otoya or Nago?

Or any of the other thousand guys that use it?

All the guys who use it. Just Nago to use IXA!

And have some riders to ally with Kiva! Like Kengo can be Knight instead of an IXA user.

Shizuka can be a witch.

Have the Arms Monsters be devil arms to Kiva instead of living monsters in the castle.

Fourze: Instead of "who's the zodiarts of the week", better have 52 episodes instead of 48, we need more zodiarts!

I hate the zodiarts in two episodes. Turn the KRC members (Miu to Tomoko) into zodiarts in order for Gentaro to save them and gain their friendship.

Malunis · 09-12-2013, 01:27 PM

I have a lot! In order of release...

First off, as a random Showa thing, the Kamen Rider ZX movie definitely needed more buildup. The opening minute or so just tells you in narration who the lead character is, and how he ended up becoming a Rider. This would work if this was a movie for an existing TV show, so it's like a brief summary to get newcomers up to date, but this could've EASILY just been the first, I dunno, 20 minutes of the movie. As is, it feels like I walked into the middle of a movie and am being told what happened so far. I dunno, just seemed like an odd writing choice.

With Ryuki I would want to alter the monsters a bit so that the only ones are the Contract Monsters, since the regular ones in the show kind of feel like an afterthought. The monster-of-the-week trope could still be applied by making a Contract Monster of some Rider go on a rampage, feeding on humans. The big reveal is who the monster belongs to.

With Faiz I'd remove all the love triangles and unnecessary rivalry and miscommunication and-- y'know, just rewrite the show entirely. But seriously, I can't put it any other way. The lead character has a great personality and progression as the show goes on, but almost everything else about the show is iffy. Inoue is not my favorite writer, something you'll learn about me. XD

Rewrite ending of Hibiki. Just, fix that ending, guys. It takes a detour from the somewhat consistent theme of "Work hard to pursue your dreams" and ends up with "Well, you might not always get what you want, so... have a Plan B?" - In some way it sounds like it makes for a nice twist, but knowing the production side, it was not clever writing, it was messy writing. Decade's Hibiki, of all things, was closer to a better ending.

Kiva's a rough one. I don't like the protagonist's personality and all, but I understand if that's just me. I kind of want to take his shy, meek personality and make him more of a brooding artist. He's lonely, and shuts himself off from the world because he's tired of losing people. Similar to Faiz in that regard. A lot of the story would probably stay intact, it's just him I had issue with. I'd need to rewatch the show to remember any other things.

Decade.... On second thought, let's not go there. At this point it's best not to touch.

OOO's finale needed to be one episode longer, for sure. It felt too rushed for my liking.

Fourze could've used more consistency and (again IMO) more focus eps on the individual Kamen Rider Club members. Yuuki's personality in the Aquarius arc was cranked up to ridiculous levels when she was perfectly eccentric as is. I also felt JK's DJ persona came out of nowhere, in a sort of "We just came up with this idea on the spot" way, some foreshadowing to it earlier on would've been nicer. I like a lot about Fourze, it just needs some tightening in some areas.

Wizard could've had a much better plot for the Dragon forms, though I'm not sure what - as is, it seemed like they didn't have many creative ideas on how to introduce them all, and the use of the magic stones was largely the most uninteresting thing in the show. It all just felt too obligatory and too focused on selling toys (moreso than usual), when it had a perfectly cool story and setting it could've been building upon during that time. Taking cues from Kuuga, I'd also want the Phantoms to be successful once in a while, and have the police force actually do more useful things, like keeping Wizard alerted of any monster activity or developing artificial magic weaponry to fight Phantoms themselves, possibly so they can eventually stop relying on Wizard. I'll always say that Wizard had a lot of potential it didn't make nearly enough use of.

henshinzero · 09-12-2013, 08:03 PM

I'd say for Wizard, stop saving so many people and let some become Phantom generals for Wiseman. And Haruto should become the Dragon Phantom later on when Fueki takes things too far.

Phoenix, Medusa & Gremlin were too less. Have more show up!

Let some gain hope and let some fall to despair (like Kazuya and Naomi for example). And let Koyomi story of her body as a shell and her Phantom escaped be true.

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Originally Posted by Malunis

Kiva's a rough one. I don't like the protagonist's personality and all, but I understand if that's just me. I kind of want to take his shy, meek personality and make him more of a brooding artist. He's lonely, and shuts himself off from the world because he's tired of losing people. Similar to Faiz in that regard. A lot of the story would probably stay intact, it's just him I had issue with. I'd need to rewatch the show to remember any other things.

I'd like to see Kiva rewritten into a Devil May Cry story.

Make Kiva Dante and Dark Kiva Vergil.

Locke · 09-12-2013, 08:18 PM

Actually yeah, to add to my Wizard post, I would have liked to see more clichés from Dragon and Chimera. I'm serious. Clichés aren't inherently a bad thing, clichés become as such for a reason and one thing I always loved about Shounen manga, was the dark hero, the dark evil force lurking within that allowed them greater power at the loss of soul.

How cool would it have been, to have Chimera take over Beast's body, turning him into a giant monster? Or to have Haruto beaten to near death, only for the Dragon to take the steering wheel and tap into powers Haruto never knew he had?

That shit would have been epic!

SPLIT LIP · 09-12-2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

Actually yeah, to add to my Wizard post, I would have liked to see more clichés from Dragon and Chimera. I'm serious. Clichés aren't inherently a bad thing, clichés become as such for a reason and one thing I always loved about Shounen manga, was the dark hero, the dark evil force lurking within that allowed them greater power at the loss of soul.

How cool would it have been, to have Chimera take over Beast's body, turning him into a giant monster? Or to have Haruto beaten to near death, only for the Dragon to take the steering wheel and tap into powers Haruto never knew he had?

That shit would have been epic!

That sounds awesome.

Powerman293 · 09-14-2013, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

Actually yeah, to add to my Wizard post, I would have liked to see more clichés from Dragon and Chimera. I'm serious. Clichés aren't inherently a bad thing, clichés become as such for a reason and one thing I always loved about Shounen manga, was the dark hero, the dark evil force lurking within that allowed them greater power at the loss of soul.

How cool would it have been, to have Chimera take over Beast's body, turning him into a giant monster? Or to have Haruto beaten to near death, only for the Dragon to take the steering wheel and tap into powers Haruto never knew he had?

That shit would have been epic!

In my version of the end of Wizard, Beast would have his belt destroyed by Fueki and be near death with White Wizard standing over him with his cane at untransformed Nitou's neck. Nitou goes into himself and talks to Chimera and says he needs power to defeat the guy who is going to kill him. Nitou then transforms into the Chimera phantom and beats the shit out of Fueki.

The chimera phantom would have a sort of lion hear with sliver, black and golden color scheme all throughout along with the Chamelon and Buffa mantles on either of his shoulders and the falco and dolphin mantles forming a a split cape with orange on half and blue on the other. He also has access to the weapons Beast had along with the powers of the mantles (flight, healing,super strength, invisibility)

Haruto would then fight against upgrade Gremlin, get his belt destroyed, have Gremlin run off. Haruto would soon fall into despair. The Chimera phantom in human form (AKA what would have been Nitou) comes in and Haruto would ask him to destroy the dragon since he doesn't know he's no longer Nitou or Beast. But Chimera would be a dick to him with Haruto going "Please.... help...me."

Haruto falls into despair and becomes the dragon phantom, which looks like the CGI dragon phantom with the mostly gray color scheme and the red eyes. He would also have access to the SwordGun, Inifinty Axe and Dragon Timer.

The rest of the endgame would consist of the chaos of the Sabbath, the supporting characters being confused about everything, the Chimera and Dragon Phantoms being dicks to each other and fighting. With an eventual team up between the Chimera and Dragon phantoms needing to defeat upgraded upgraded Gremlin and remembering they fought together when they were humans.

The final attack to Upgraded Gremlin would consist of the voices of the Wizard and Beast Drivers shouting, "PHANTOM STRIKE" and the Dragon phantom growing the tail, wings and claws from the dragon forms doing an epic rider kick and Chimera phantom having all of the other 4 animal heads on his shoulders and shooting a big golden laser.

Now this ending isn't considering weather or not I remove the other plot device Wizards or changing or removing other characters.

.....Did I just write a fanfic?

Locke · 09-14-2013, 03:24 PM

I like your ending to the series way better, Powerman.

Consistent haters of Wizard have been going mad for Wizard's climax but me, an avid fan of the series, has been pretty consistently disappointed with all the out of nowhere revelations, half arsed explanations that actually tell us nothing, emotional cashing in to characters we have no connection too and epic fight scenes rushed to the point of meaninglessness.

My best version of Wizard, would be that these climactic ten or so episodes, would have played out over the whole series.

ZeoRangerV · 09-14-2013, 03:50 PM

Wizard certainly could have done with the dragon actually taking the reigns at some point, especially since it was being all "be careful how you handle this power LOL" when he got Flame Dragon.

Sentai · 09-14-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV

Wizard certainly could have done with the dragon actually taking the reigns at some point, especially since it was being all "be careful how you handle this power LOL" when he got Flame Dragon.

Hell's yes. Flame... DRAGON... BESERKAH!

Locke · 09-14-2013, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV

Wizard certainly could have done with the dragon actually taking the reigns at some point, especially since it was being all "be careful how you handle this power LOL" when he got Flame Dragon.

Yeah that shit was dropped as quickly as it was introduced, like most of Wizard's power ups. Look how pointless DragoTime and All Dragon turned out to be. Infinity was largely worthless as well, save for that one specific time that made Infinity seem a lot more epic than it really was.

That is why I stand by the fact that Haruto should have just been the Flame Wizard, with the other three elements being other Rider's who can give Haruto their power to become All Dragon.

Then Haruto, being the protagonist, is the one who summons his own internal power, not leant to him by his Phantom, in the form of Infinity.

09-11-2013, 08:10 PM	#41
henshinzero Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,792	Quote: Originally Posted by algo448 Who Otoya or Nago? Or any of the other thousand guys that use it? All the guys who use it. Just Nago to use IXA! And have some riders to ally with Kiva! Like Kengo can be Knight instead of an IXA user. Shizuka can be a witch. Have the Arms Monsters be devil arms to Kiva instead of living monsters in the castle. Fourze: Instead of "who's the zodiarts of the week", better have 52 episodes instead of 48, we need more zodiarts! I hate the zodiarts in two episodes. Turn the KRC members (Miu to Tomoko) into zodiarts in order for Gentaro to save them and gain their friendship. Last edited by henshinzero; 09-11-2013 at 08:16 PM..

09-12-2013, 01:27 PM	#42
Malunis Dongley Arms Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Place Posts: 214	I have a lot! In order of release... First off, as a random Showa thing, the Kamen Rider ZX movie definitely needed more buildup. The opening minute or so just tells you in narration who the lead character is, and how he ended up becoming a Rider. This would work if this was a movie for an existing TV show, so it's like a brief summary to get newcomers up to date, but this could've EASILY just been the first, I dunno, 20 minutes of the movie. As is, it feels like I walked into the middle of a movie and am being told what happened so far. I dunno, just seemed like an odd writing choice. With Ryuki I would want to alter the monsters a bit so that the only ones are the Contract Monsters, since the regular ones in the show kind of feel like an afterthought. The monster-of-the-week trope could still be applied by making a Contract Monster of some Rider go on a rampage, feeding on humans. The big reveal is who the monster belongs to. With Faiz I'd remove all the love triangles and unnecessary rivalry and miscommunication and-- y'know, just rewrite the show entirely. But seriously, I can't put it any other way. The lead character has a great personality and progression as the show goes on, but almost everything else about the show is iffy. Inoue is not my favorite writer, something you'll learn about me. XD Rewrite ending of Hibiki. Just, fix that ending, guys. It takes a detour from the somewhat consistent theme of "Work hard to pursue your dreams" and ends up with "Well, you might not always get what you want, so... have a Plan B?" - In some way it sounds like it makes for a nice twist, but knowing the production side, it was not clever writing, it was messy writing. Decade's Hibiki, of all things, was closer to a better ending. Kiva's a rough one. I don't like the protagonist's personality and all, but I understand if that's just me. I kind of want to take his shy, meek personality and make him more of a brooding artist. He's lonely, and shuts himself off from the world because he's tired of losing people. Similar to Faiz in that regard. A lot of the story would probably stay intact, it's just him I had issue with. I'd need to rewatch the show to remember any other things. Decade.... On second thought, let's not go there. At this point it's best not to touch. OOO's finale needed to be one episode longer, for sure. It felt too rushed for my liking. Fourze could've used more consistency and (again IMO) more focus eps on the individual Kamen Rider Club members. Yuuki's personality in the Aquarius arc was cranked up to ridiculous levels when she was perfectly eccentric as is. I also felt JK's DJ persona came out of nowhere, in a sort of "We just came up with this idea on the spot" way, some foreshadowing to it earlier on would've been nicer. I like a lot about Fourze, it just needs some tightening in some areas. Wizard could've had a much better plot for the Dragon forms, though I'm not sure what - as is, it seemed like they didn't have many creative ideas on how to introduce them all, and the use of the magic stones was largely the most uninteresting thing in the show. It all just felt too obligatory and too focused on selling toys (moreso than usual), when it had a perfectly cool story and setting it could've been building upon during that time. Taking cues from Kuuga, I'd also want the Phantoms to be successful once in a while, and have the police force actually do more useful things, like keeping Wizard alerted of any monster activity or developing artificial magic weaponry to fight Phantoms themselves, possibly so they can eventually stop relying on Wizard. I'll always say that Wizard had a lot of potential it didn't make nearly enough use of. __________________ My Rider tastes / Watch list / Toku collection Last edited by Malunis; 09-12-2013 at 01:31 PM..

09-12-2013, 08:03 PM	#43
henshinzero Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,792	I'd say for Wizard, stop saving so many people and let some become Phantom generals for Wiseman. And Haruto should become the Dragon Phantom later on when Fueki takes things too far. Phoenix, Medusa & Gremlin were too less. Have more show up! Let some gain hope and let some fall to despair (like Kazuya and Naomi for example). And let Koyomi story of her body as a shell and her Phantom escaped be true. Quote: Originally Posted by Malunis Kiva's a rough one. I don't like the protagonist's personality and all, but I understand if that's just me. I kind of want to take his shy, meek personality and make him more of a brooding artist. He's lonely, and shuts himself off from the world because he's tired of losing people. Similar to Faiz in that regard. A lot of the story would probably stay intact, it's just him I had issue with. I'd need to rewatch the show to remember any other things. I'd like to see Kiva rewritten into a Devil May Cry story. Make Kiva Dante and Dark Kiva Vergil. Last edited by Baltan II; 12-22-2013 at 05:21 PM..

09-12-2013, 08:18 PM	#44
Locke Big Bad Wolf. Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Raiding tombs. Posts: 9,529	Actually yeah, to add to my Wizard post, I would have liked to see more clichés from Dragon and Chimera. I'm serious. Clichés aren't inherently a bad thing, clichés become as such for a reason and one thing I always loved about Shounen manga, was the dark hero, the dark evil force lurking within that allowed them greater power at the loss of soul. How cool would it have been, to have Chimera take over Beast's body, turning him into a giant monster? Or to have Haruto beaten to near death, only for the Dragon to take the steering wheel and tap into powers Haruto never knew he had? That shit would have been epic! __________________

09-14-2013, 03:20 PM	#46
Powerman293 Man with a plan Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,297	Quote: Originally Posted by Locke Actually yeah, to add to my Wizard post, I would have liked to see more clichés from Dragon and Chimera. I'm serious. Clichés aren't inherently a bad thing, clichés become as such for a reason and one thing I always loved about Shounen manga, was the dark hero, the dark evil force lurking within that allowed them greater power at the loss of soul. How cool would it have been, to have Chimera take over Beast's body, turning him into a giant monster? Or to have Haruto beaten to near death, only for the Dragon to take the steering wheel and tap into powers Haruto never knew he had? That shit would have been epic! In my version of the end of Wizard, Beast would have his belt destroyed by Fueki and be near death with White Wizard standing over him with his cane at untransformed Nitou's neck. Nitou goes into himself and talks to Chimera and says he needs power to defeat the guy who is going to kill him. Nitou then transforms into the Chimera phantom and beats the shit out of Fueki. The chimera phantom would have a sort of lion hear with sliver, black and golden color scheme all throughout along with the Chamelon and Buffa mantles on either of his shoulders and the falco and dolphin mantles forming a a split cape with orange on half and blue on the other. He also has access to the weapons Beast had along with the powers of the mantles (flight, healing,super strength, invisibility) Haruto would then fight against upgrade Gremlin, get his belt destroyed, have Gremlin run off. Haruto would soon fall into despair. The Chimera phantom in human form (AKA what would have been Nitou) comes in and Haruto would ask him to destroy the dragon since he doesn't know he's no longer Nitou or Beast. But Chimera would be a dick to him with Haruto going "Please.... help...me." Haruto falls into despair and becomes the dragon phantom, which looks like the CGI dragon phantom with the mostly gray color scheme and the red eyes. He would also have access to the SwordGun, Inifinty Axe and Dragon Timer. The rest of the endgame would consist of the chaos of the Sabbath, the supporting characters being confused about everything, the Chimera and Dragon Phantoms being dicks to each other and fighting. With an eventual team up between the Chimera and Dragon phantoms needing to defeat upgraded upgraded Gremlin and remembering they fought together when they were humans. The final attack to Upgraded Gremlin would consist of the voices of the Wizard and Beast Drivers shouting, "PHANTOM STRIKE" and the Dragon phantom growing the tail, wings and claws from the dragon forms doing an epic rider kick and Chimera phantom having all of the other 4 animal heads on his shoulders and shooting a big golden laser. Now this ending isn't considering weather or not I remove the other plot device Wizards or changing or removing other characters. .....Did I just write a fanfic? __________________ My Twitter