[xSkullheartx]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

It is, though. It's not a perfect straight line, it's wavy and wobbly.

Also, unlike the tips of the crest, it isn't curved to begin with. It's a triangle point, stretched upwards, rather than two slopes.

What I'm saying is that looking at the outer spikes,they both curve the same way,to the right.So shouldn't the middle spike curve to the right too due to distortion? If the same tile is doing the distortion,then the middle spike should flow the same way,not just be wobbly.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by xSkullheartx

What I'm saying is that looking at the outer spikes,they both curve the same way,to the right.So shouldn't the middle spike curve to the right to due to distortion?

Not really.

Same reason the entire image isn't strecthed. The floor isn't even. If it was perfectly flat or a perfect curve maybe, but it's not. It's wobbly and wavvy. Again, look at how the shoulder pad gets "cut off."

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If the same tile is doing the distortion,the the middle spike should flow the same way,not just be wobbly.

Again, if that was true, there wouldn't be distortion. It'd just be a mirror.

[TokuChris]

Reflections in the intro play an obvious untold story in Kamen Rider Gaim at this juncture. Everything from the dirty-blonde version of Mia having a moment with what appears to be Baron in a reflection of Mia and Kouta, and now to the outro where a mysterious form of Gaim is seen.

[SPLIT LIP]

But it's not a form.

Even ignoring the science of the reflections, it's not a great enough change to convince me that it's a new form. Kamen Rider isn't that subtle. Not when last episode had our hero with a spinning orange for a head.

I feel like Charlton Heston in Soylent Green. I must seem like a raving insane person but I know the truth! :<

[Den-O]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

You image just showed my point even clearer. It's perfectly visible the distortion on the crest.

But the real nail in your arguement is simply a matter of perspectives. If, and if, this is a new helmet, then why do these new additions stretched straight up, when Gaim himself is being viewed at an angle?

It's so obvious it's just reflection, I'm literally baffled you can't tell. Also, there's just a matter of logic. Rider form changes are always different, and Giam has more intricate suits than ever. Why would this new suit have the helmet be indentical except for a new crest?

Because it's more than likely the Sengoku era Gaim. This series seems to be all about transformative power, becoming someone new. It isn't at all far fetched to assume that Kouta is tapping into a previous Orange Arms rider's (probably Sengoku) power and becoming a modern version of him. Hence the reflection of Gaim's past self. Explaining why he'd have a more samurai inspired form. It's appropriate to both the theme and setting of the show.

I can't really wrap my head around how you're using what is clearly an image that proves my point as an argument in your favor. And Rider Forms are definitely NOT always that different either, looking at Blood Gaim, Ryuki Blank, Ouja Blank, Hibiki Kurenai, Den-O Nega, Ryuga, Kick/Punch Hopper, or maybe all 4 of Wizards basic forms which have only slight remolds with a color swap. A smattering of other riders exist for proof of this as well, don't say something like that if you can't back it up. Pallet swaps with slight remolds or base suits with some remolds to set them apart happen pretty often through out this franchise. It's nowhere near far fetched to assume that his helmet and some armor could be the only differences.

If your argument is going to remain, I suggest you find a more solid basis for it than that.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by Den-O

looking at Blood Gaim, Ryuki Blank, Ouja Blank, Hibiki Kurenai, Den-O Nega, Ryuga, Kick/Punch Hopper, or maybe all 4 of Wizards basic forms which have only slight remolds with a color swap.

Exactly, colour swaps.

Every single one of those examples (save Hibiki who wasn't intended to be a Rider) are dramatic changes based on colour. Nobody would confuse them because the colours are a dead giveaway.

Literally the only change here is the crest, and as I've gone into detail, it's dubious at least. Your whole arguement hinges on something that is a differnet shape in an image that is heavily distorted.

I believe in court that call it reasonable doubt. Your arguement falls apart because the legitimacy of the entire image is thrown in the air when it's so messed up to begin with. That'd be like claiming he gets a new bike that shrinks the headlamp down. (which, BTW, if this is Sengoku period Gaim, why is he on a bike and not a horse?) And yet you claim my arguement has no solid basis? If what you're saying is true, than the crest is literally the only part of the image that is not severly distorted, which is very convienient.

[algo448]

Neither of you is going to convince the other.

Just saying...

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by algo448

Neither of you is going to convince the other.

Just saying...

Yeah, I guess.

Whatever, then I concede. Tokunation is too nice for me, I can't draw this out. I saw someone have a civil disagreement about the Transformers Movies the other day. I don't want to ruin this place.

[Den-O]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Exactly, colour swaps.

Every single one of those examples (save Hibiki who wasn't intended to be a Rider) are dramatic changes based on colour. Nobody would confuse them because the colours are a dead giveaway.

Literally the only change here is the crest, and as I've gone into detail, it's dubious at least. Your whole arguement hinges on something that is a differnet shape in an image that is heavily distorted.

I believe in court that call it reasonable doubt. Your arguement falls apart because the legitimacy of the entire image is thrown in the air when it's so messed up to begin with. That'd be like claiming he gets a new bike that shrinks the headlamp down. (which, BTW, if this is Sengoku period Gaim, why is he on a bike and not a horse?) And yet you claim my arguement has no solid basis? If what you're saying is true, than the crest is literally the only part of the image that is not severly distorted, which is very convienient.

Disregarding the Gaim image for the time being, you're actually INCORRECT again. Hibiki was 100% intended to be a rider. Read this enlightening article. http://risingsuntokusatsu.com/?p=8744

What began as a Ninja Arashi remake was scrapped and rather than creating an interim show and giving Kamen Rider a break for a year the staff got together and decided to go the rider route again. But they wanted it to be the Amazon of the Heisei era, something wildly boldly different. Hibiki was always meant to be a rider, staff interviews more than prove this.

Again, do some research before making claims. In court we call that discrediting the witness

And I can be civil enough to agree to disagree as this argument isn't really enriching the discussion for either side.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by Den-O

And I can be civil enough to agree to disagree as this argument isn't really enriching the discussion for either side.

But, you know, only after responding to my reply. Last word, and all...

But yeah, whaterver. GodzillaFanatic said it best, time will tell, and I'm not going to waste that time going in circles when I could prove or diprove it and possibly dimishinsh my enjoyment of the show in any capacity. (especially if it's linked to a sequence of the show that I see every single episode )