[TokuChris]

Gaim = Tokugawa Ieyasu/Date Masamune
- A crescent moon helmet (Masamune) and will be the eventual hero to unify the warring groups (Ieyasu)

Baron = Oda Nobunga
- A great warlord known for his ruthlessness in battle and for destroying many powerful opponents. Would pave the path for his successor to take his place and eventually conquer all the land.

Ryugen = ???
- Still researching who, during the Sengoku period, spent time in China/Korea, as Ryugen is heavily, HEAVILY influenced by Chinese. There was a period in the late BC era of China that the Sengoku period is named after. Will research more later.

Zangetsu = Miyamoto Musashi
- The greatest swordsman of his time. (NOTE: Shields weren't used hardly at all in feudal Japan, thus the shield that Zangetsu carries may be a red herring for his excellent swordsmanship).

Gridon = Toyotomi Hideyoshi
- A peasant who worked his way through the ranks of Nobunga's army to become the eventual successor and the first to unify Japan during this period.

Kurokage = ???

Bravo = ???

Still working on this. More later.

NOTE: In the first episode, we see Gridon along with Baron's army. There is no Kurokage or Bravo. We also see Baron is in the west, and Gaim is in the east. Oda's forces were to the west of both Tokugawa and Date Masamune's forces. It should be noted, Tokugawa formed an alliance with Oda Nobunga and together they conquered their larger foes, like Hojo, Takeda, etc.

[KRX]

480-221 B.C.E. is the time period for the Chinese Warring States Period.

Also, to avoid controversy, it's better to use "B.C.E." over "B.C."

[Den-O]

Id almost guarantee that based on the future scene from episode 1 that Bravo & Kurokage won't be with us. In fact episode 11's previews shows Kurokage out on the ground after being attacked by Zangetsu. I wonder if it's too early to see him go? Taking into account the possible loss of Kurokage and what he means to Griddon as a friend, is there anyone related in any fashion to Toyotomi Hideyoshi that could have existed roughly in that time frame?

[KyoryuGreen]

This is very interesting. I love the Sengoku era so it's great to see the connections. I hope 2 of the people I am intrigued with from get some sort of reference/connection in it.

Any chance Ryugen is some how a connection to Uesugi Kenshin because he was called the Dragon of Echigo and was interested in Chinese Mythology and had great military intelligence.

Could also lead that Zangetsu's name being Takatora which has Tiger in it could be a connection to Takeda Shingen, who was known as the Tiger of Kai.

I don't have much knowledge of the Sengoku Era so this just stuck out to me.

[Suzu]

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Originally Posted by Kickback

Gaim = Tokugawa Ieyasu/Date Masamune
- A crescent moon helmet (Masamune) and will be the eventual hero to unify the warring groups (Ieyasu)

Well, in the movie, Ieyasu is actually a character of his own, so based on that, maybe Gaim is more like Masamune. However, if I interpret that correctly, Ieyasu will be Blood Orange Gaim, so both are still possible.

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Originally Posted by Kickback

NOTE: In the first episode, we see Gridon along with Baron's army. There is no Kurokage or Bravo. We also see Baron is in the west, and Gaim is in the east. Oda's forces were to the west of both Tokugawa and Date Masamune's forces. It should be noted, Tokugawa formed an alliance with Oda Nobunga and together they conquered their larger foes, like Hojo, Takeda, etc.

I think it's possible that Bravo and Kurokage could either lose their powers or do not actively take part in the war (if the war IS gonna happen the same way as the first episode suggested. Things might still be changed until we get to see that scene as a whole).

[Blade Raider]

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Originally Posted by Suzu

Well, in the movie, Ieyasu is actually a character of his own, so based on that, maybe Gaim is more like Masamune. However, if I interpret that correctly, Ieyasu will be Blood Orange Gaim, so both are still possible.

What movie? Kickback's saying he thinks Kouta is a fusion of the two historical people.

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Originally Posted by Suzu

I think it's possible that Bravo and Kurokage could either lose their powers or do not actively take part in the war (if the war IS gonna happen the same way as the first episode suggested. Things might still be changed until we get to see that scene as a whole).

Yeah, we still have a long ways to go to get to that war. Anything can happen.


I don't know enough about the Sengoku period to get very deep into this discussion, but I do know the Riders fall into archetypes that should match the modern depictions of these people. For example Gaim is "the hero" and Ryugen is "the strategist."

[Den-O]

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Originally Posted by Blade Raider

What movie? Kickback's saying he thinks Kouta is a fusion of the two historical people.


Yeah, we still have a long ways to go to get to that war. Anything can happen.


I don't know enough about the Sengoku period to get very deep into this discussion, but I do know the Riders fall into archetypes that should match the modern depictions of these people. For example Gaim is "the hero" and Ryugen is "the strategist."

The Gaim Sengoku Fateful War movie. The one where a character literally is named after said historical figure. I believe it's implied he's a rider as well.

[Blade Raider]

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Originally Posted by Den-O

The Gaim Sengoku Fateful War movie.

I'm trying my damnedest to ignore that thing's existence.

[TokuChris]

Looking back at this, I was trying to think of where Ryugen would fit in regards to Sengoku history.

Then it dawned on me.

Kamen Rider Ryugen is heavily based on a more Chinese influence. China has had numerous periods of war in its history, with a period often referred to as the "Chinese Sengoku Period" ... however, I think Ryugen more mirrors a famous Chinese character from a later period, namely the "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" period, which featured another era of Chinese infighting and multiple states vying for control and power.

Micchy has shown himself to be more of a strategist, an adviser of sorts. The most famous adviser I can think of in Chinese history would be from the "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" era, or for those who aren't familiar with that term, the same period used in the "Dynasty Warriors" video games.

Could Ryugen be a representation of the great Kongming, aka, Zhuge Liang of the Shu-Han kingdom from 208 AD to 228 AD?

Ryugen is referred to as a "Dragon" ... Kongming/Zhuge Liang is referred to as the "Hidden Dragon".

Just a thought.

[SideswipePrime]

Hm...Gaim being Date Masamune was pretty obvious to me. (Yes, it's the helmet.) I never thought of Baron being Nobunaga, and I've played Dynasty Warriors.

Now I'm thinking of who Lu Bu might be.