[EitoRanger]

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Originally Posted by Sentai

^Best theory yet.

Thanks , I've been working on it ever since episode 12 when we learned about Kaito and Mai's past and each time I see the Sacred Tree in Yggdrasil's base I just keep coming back to it. Besides with how deliberate the pacing is and how almost no scene seems to be filler, it's hard to believe Urobotchi spent a good chunk of time in two episodes dedicated to Kaito and Mai talking about their shared past if it wasn't important to the plot.

I'm really hoping that this will lead to the dancing part of the Beat Riders to be able actually become important to the plot instead of just as a part of the setting. Mai started dancing as a beat rider to try and remind the city of the Summer festival but that will probably be more expanded on during the summer.

[Suzu]

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Originally Posted by EitoRanger

Thanks , I've been working on it ever since episode 12 when we learned about Kaito and Mai's past and each time I see the Sacred Tree in Yggdrasil's base I just keep coming back to it. Besides with how deliberate the pacing is and how almost no scene seems to be filler, it's hard to believe Urobotchi spent a good chunk of time in two episodes dedicated to Kaito and Mai talking about their shared past if it wasn't important to the plot.

I'm really hoping that this will lead to the dancing part of the Beat Riders to be able actually become important to the plot instead of just as a part of the setting. Mai started dancing as a beat rider to try and remind the city of the Summer festival but that will probably be more expanded on during the summer.

Nice work on that theory, sounds good to me ^^

Yeah, I also hope (and think) that there will be more significance to the dancing at least because of Mai. Next episode will have some of the Beat Rider setting again, so I guess they haven't dropped it by now.

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by EitoRanger

Thanks , I've been working on it ever since episode 12 when we learned about Kaito and Mai's past and each time I see the Sacred Tree in Yggdrasil's base I just keep coming back to it. Besides with how deliberate the pacing is and how almost no scene seems to be filler, it's hard to believe Urobotchi spent a good chunk of time in two episodes dedicated to Kaito and Mai talking about their shared past if it wasn't important to the plot.

I'm really hoping that this will lead to the dancing part of the Beat Riders to be able actually become important to the plot instead of just as a part of the setting. Mai started dancing as a beat rider to try and remind the city of the Summer festival but that will probably be more expanded on during the summer.

This is much more in-line with what I want to see from the show, given what we've seen so far.

The future idea is cool and all, but it seems like it comes out of nowhere. It doesn't have the thematic resonance that I expect from the show. Maybe it will by the time it's revealed (if that's where the show is going), but I have my doubts.

If anything, I expect things to get more mystical as the series goes on. Throwing in a big sci-fi twist like time travel seems incongruent with the direction the show appears to be traveling.

But really, it's too early to know. Still fun to speculate.

[TheFightingSpirit]

Time travel doesn't have to be exclusively in the scifi domain. Plenty of writers blend the lot all the time.

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by TheFightingSpirit

Time travel doesn't have to be exclusively in the scifi domain. Plenty of writers blend the lot all the time.

Hm. That's true. First thing I think of are the time turners from Harry Potter.

I guess magic tends to allow a writer to include time travel in a story while sidestepping certain tricky questions of causality. Because, you know, magic.

[TheFightingSpirit]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha

Hm. That's true. First thing I think of are the time turners from Harry Potter.

I guess magic tends to allow a writer to include time travel in a story while sidestepping certain tricky questions of causality. Because, you know, magic.

"Because, you know, magic" = the only reason most of my fiction works

[goseigold]

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Originally Posted by EitoRanger

While I can see all the reasons for it being the future, I can't fully get behind the idea because of it's relation to the sacred tree and thus also the shrine Mai's father was a priest of.

I can't help but question why is it only through the tree that Yggdrasil can hold a permanent crack open? Personally my theory is that Helheim was an ancient Forrest/alternate dimension and Yggdrasil somehow found out about the ancient forest and reconstructed the city of Zawame just so they could get their hands on it's secrets/find out how to use it for their own gain. Which is why they took the Sacred tree, tore down the shrine, and hid the tree in their labs. But the company was blinded by their own greed(desire for knowledge, for power, etc.) that they disturbed the balance and without the summer festival at the shrine possibly helping keep the barrier strong, that lead to cracks opening up and the need to create weapons to fight the inves.

As for what I think Mitchi might of saw, either a burning crater filled with the original inhabitants of Helheim, or maybe the burning remains of another city that had an access point to Helheim like Zawame, except this one failed and was dragged into Helheim itself.

Besides wouldn't it be deliciously ironic to find out that the guys totting that 'the ends justify the means' ended up being the whole reason they need to go to such extremes to save humanity in the first place. Hard to justify that mindset when it was the very mindset that cause humanity to be in danger in the first place.

1.first of all don't forget that yggdrasil are artificially forcing the crack to remain open

2.as for your theory of what mitchi saw youre theory and the one that he sees the battlefield from episode 1 could be the same thing (on a side note that might shed light on this question and the theory-are they any lost city stories(you know like atlantis) from norse mythology or japanese mythology that could possibly match the theory of bieng dragged into Helheim?)

[EitoRanger]

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Originally Posted by goseigold

1.first of all don't forget that yggdrasil are artificially forcing the crack to remain open

2.as for your theory of what mitchi saw youre theory and the one that he sees the battlefield from episode 1 could be the same thing (on a side note that might shed light on this question and the theory-are they any lost city stories(you know like atlantis) from norse mythology or japanese mythology that could possibly match the theory of bieng dragged into Helheim?)

1. Oh I know, and I'm not trying to argue that Yggdrasil is not artificially forcing the crack to stay open. But you have to admit it is suspicious that the crack they are keeping open is literally opening up into the ancient Sacred tree. Which they uprooted right the moment they took over the city and according to Kaito, "When I was a kid, a shrine grove was here. There was a sacred tree as well as a shrine for protecting it However no one remembers that anymore. The Shrine was torn down and the grove was cleared away" And what does Yggdrasil love doing more than clearing away plant life and anything that hints at Helheim's existence and manipulating what the citizens of Zawame know(well, besides using kids for guinea pigs XP)?

This screams to me that the land Zawame city is located has always been closely linked to Helheim long before Yggdrasil came, with the Sacred tree possibly being a natural gate. With my theory that the shrine(and festival) instead of being meant to protect the Sacred tree like Kaito and Mai said, was actually made to protect earth from Helheim invading it(after all we've seen how invasive it is). The problem was Yggdrasil for whatever reason destroyed that protection, forced the connection between the worlds to stay open artificially and now have to deal with the consequences.

2. I would totally believe that the cliff is related to the battle from the first episode. Honestly my 'theory' on what Mitchi saw is just a wild guess based on what I think Helheim is XP

[GoseiWonder]

All the people across time who ate Helheim's fruits, sealed in some kind of cocoons (either being wrapped in vines or more like a pomegranate seed), all ready to be woken and freed.

What really pushed Micchy into agreeing with Takatora was that their parents were cocooned and what ever "Helheim' Choice" and Yggdrasil's true goal are, they are intertwined with freeing the people (and presumably one mouse) from cocoons.

Yggdrasil itself doesn't care about the cocoons though, as freeing the people from the cocoons is a fortunate side affect of whatever villainy-under-the-guise-of-heroism Yggdrasil is planning.

Is it unrealistic? Yes. Plausible? No. Make sense with Micchy's reaction? Not really. Schmaltzy and Deus ex Machina-y? Oh hell yeah. Do I care? Not in the slightest!

[Sunred]

What Sour Grapes really saw was........ a green screen....