[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by SideswipePrime

Now...I'm looking at all this talk about Daigo (I only saw 3 episodes of Kyoryuger) so...what you guys are all saying is...he's basically Kirito from Sword Art Online...fantastic... :I

To better put it in perspective, they literally stated that Daigo's flaw was that he was too perfect.

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by Captain Marvelous

I'll post the thoughts I have from Ep 48 here:

Pros:
1) Acting: *snip*

2) Babe factor: *snip*

3) Action: *snip*

4) Special F/X: *snip*

5) Deboss turn good: *snip*

Cons:

1) Daigo: Now don't get me wrong. Daigo is the epitome of brave and what this show is about. But he's just too PERFECT (or Pafekt like Utchy would say) and his lack of any flaws is what makes him so boring, predictable, and hard to relate to. *snip*

2) Daigo getting the girl, Amy: *snip*

3) Deboss monsters pretty underwhelming: *snip*

While I really like this show a lot, the thing that holds me back from giving it a perfect grade is Daigo. I wish the writer didn't have such a hard-on for him. Seeing him always so immaculate takes away the focus from other characters, and in a show where the cast is over 20, that's a real disservice to the fans IMO.

Great breakdown, I completely agree with everything. Except...

Daigo. His flawlessness is, to me, the whole point of his character. There's even a full episode that hangs a lantern on it -- the one where KyoryuGray shows that his flawlessness is his greatest weakness.

I know I've posted this argument before, but I see Daigo as more of a Doctor Who/Superman type. These characters typically come as pre-packaged, perfect heroes straight out of the box. They rarely grow and change, but that's okay because that's not their story purpose. Instead, they act as catalysts who inspire growth and change in their flawed, human companions.

I'd be more inclined to share peoples' contempt for the character if every episode were about Daigo, but I can't recall many exclusively Daigo-centric episodes. Instead, I saw a lot of, "Daigo's perfect bravery inspires x-teammate of the week to become a braver hero" episodes. And then, in the end, it's everyone's bravery -- which Daigo incubated -- channeled through him (via their song) that allows him to defeat Deboss.

Long story short, I think Kyoryuger is better for having Daigo. He's unlike any other reds I've seen in Sentai.

Basically, I like Daigo. There! I said it!

[uchihabro77]

Gonna miss this show. First series Ive watched as it aired, and I really need to get all the toys

Ill miss you Amy!

[Den-O]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha

Great breakdown, I completely agree with everything. Except...

Daigo. His flawlessness is, to me, the whole point of his character. There's even a full episode that hangs a lantern on it -- the one where KyoryuGray shows that his flawlessness is his greatest weakness.

I know I've posted this argument before, but I see Daigo as more of a Doctor Who/Superman type. These characters typically come as pre-packaged, perfect heroes straight out of the box. They rarely grow and change, but that's okay because that's not their story purpose. Instead, they act as catalysts who inspire growth and change in their flawed, human companions.

I'd be more inclined to share peoples' contempt for the character if every episode were about Daigo, but I can't recall many exclusively Daigo-centric episodes. Instead, I saw a lot of, "Daigo's perfect bravery inspires x-teammate of the week to become a braver hero" episodes. And then, in the end, it's everyone's bravery -- which Daigo incubated -- channeled through him (via their song) that allows him to defeat Deboss.

Long story short, I think Kyoryuger is better for having Daigo. He's unlike any other reds I've seen in Sentai.

Basically, I like Daigo. There! I said it!

Thank you for wording my opinion of the show so solidly!

[Matrixbeast]

Still not a Daigo fan. You can love him all you want, being intentionally perfect doesn't justify it. He just doesn't feel like a strong character compared to the rest of the cast.

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by Locke

*snip*
However I also know there are some very vocal lovers of the show like my man Sentai - who is one of the main reasons I watched Goseiger which turned out to be my new favourite sentai - so I've been lurking and reading every post in this thread to see if maybe I just turned off right as things got good.

But... I guess not, even those with a positive outlook on the show don't seem to have much nice to say when they start to really outline the details of their feelings and that is if they aren't just glossing over problems like lots of people appear to be doing. Oh well.

When you get past the introductions, I think there are some great episodes of Kyoryuger. It gets less overtly juvenile as it becomes more serialized.

If you were to ever give the show another shot, I'd recommend watching the following 24 episodes:

17-18, 21-24, 26-29, 33-36, 39-48

Sure, you miss a few plot details, but nothing you wouldn't be able to infer (or wiki) an explanation for. But these episodes provide a pretty satisfying/complete experience.

[Deathryuger321]

I cant believe it. I had this huge reply for this thread telling everything I thought.. and when I hit post it wouldn't post it and had to exit off really quick. so
I loved it. Great season, I want to slap the people who voted poor.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha

When you get past the introductions, I think there are some great episodes of Kyoryuger. It gets less overtly juvenile as it becomes more serialized.

If you were to ever give the show another shot, I'd recommend watching the following 24 episodes:

17-18, 21-24, 26-29, 33-36, 39-48

Sure, you miss a few plot details, but nothing you wouldn't be able to infer (or wiki) an explanation for. But these episodes provide a pretty satisfying/complete experience.

I might just do this, what are the key plot episodes as well? You've cut the series down for me well over half, so I don't mind if there's five or so other key plot episodes to add to the list as well.

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by Locke

I might just do this, what are the key plot episodes as well? You've cut the series down for me well over half, so I don't mind if there's five or so other key plot episodes to add to the list as well.

These are the major plot episodes after KyoryuGold's introduction. It sounds like you've gotten up through that point already. I don't think you'd need to revisit since you seemed not to like those episodes.

But, if you do want to revisit, you could throw in Eps 1-4 (introduction to the characters), 9-10 & 12 (KyoryuGold joins the team), and 16.

I also really love episode 14, but I think you might passionately hate it.

[Locke]

So one to four, nine to twelve, fourteen and then the episodes you listed?