[ComicGuy89]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locke

Because I just find it odd, that so many people are defending such a piece of crap. We rightly hate on Power Rangers for lacklustre projects, but seem happy to promote one of the most watered down sentai robos in years.

I'm not trying to change peoples minds or call anyone out, if you like it, that is your kink and if you get defensive from my solid criticism of a bad design, then that is your issue not mine.

I don't even like DieselOh all that much, to be honest, not a fan of the colors or the boxy design, so I'm not defending anything. I guess what I do take issue with is how you often state your taste as fact, and worse, taking issue with people actually liking it. Your "solid criticism" is not how everyone sees this thing.

[Locke]

Well all my posts are my opinions and only my opinions, I didn't think that'd need to be stated. And yeah, I am shocked people like it, I really really am.

[Kiryu]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locke

Well all my posts are my opinions and only my opinions, I didn't think that'd need to be stated. And yeah, I am shocked people like it, I really really am.

The center torso and head design of Diseloh is cool and very super robot looking. That I like, but what kinda kills the rest is just how flat, boxy, and disproportioned it looks.

And am I the only one whom thinks that Tokkyuger's toyline is incredibly average?

the DX mechas aren't all that inspired, the changer is obnoxious and won't shut up.

I'm liking Tokkyuger a lot more then when it aired but I look at the toys and don't really feel a need to own any of it outside the Minipla.

[Locke]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiryu

The center torso and head design of Diseloh is cool and very super robot looking. That I like, but what kinda kills the rest is just how flat, boxy, and disproportioned it looks.

And am I the only one whom thinks that Tokkyuger's toyline is incredibly average?

the DX mechas aren't all that inspired, the changer is obnoxious and won't shut up.

I'm liking Tokkyuger a lot more then when it aired but I look at the toys and don't really feel a need to own any of it outside the Minipla.

Not to mention the gimmick figures....which actually don't capture the gimmick at all.

[SentaiSan]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locke

APRIL FOOLS!

Wait...that is actually what it looks like?

Really?

Oh.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locke

Those cardboard boxes actually looked like robots. Rather than a robot that looks like a load of cardboard boxes, which this thing does. There is a major difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locke

Right? I'm amazed by the positivity of something so unequivocally crappy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locke

But couldn't they I dunno...try? They literally just put the trains in a line and stick a head on it, I'm not even oversimplyfing it, that is the whole gimmick.

Like I don't get how you can support something that is simultaneously lazy, while looking like shit while it is at it. It looks like a zero articulation bootleg of something way better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locke

But that doesn't mean it doesn't look shitty.

"Hey look it's designed to look shitty so that is okay!"

What the fuck is this, moon logic?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locke

What bugs me is the complete lack of effort, he has no knees, elbows or even really defined parts, limbs begin and end where the paint stops and starts. If this was animation, or a higher budget production, they could probably pull it off - well maybe - but as it stands it just looks like a borderline spoof, a joke at the cardboard appearance of other better designed sentai robos.

I mean hell, the poor fella doesn't even have a neck, making him look awkwardly squashed like those guys who over work their shoulders without balancing their weight training elsewhere. The mecha is supposed to combine into a robot but the ToQ mecha takes trains, sticks them in a line and puts a head on it. JOB DONE, LET'S GO HOME, SUCKERS ARE STILL BUYING IT.

I mean it doesn't even look good, look at the ridiculous proportions, I dunno how this will even work in the show, will the guy be on stilts?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locke

ToQ-Oh isn't a tough act to beat though, let's be honest. It was a subpar design in the first place, that vaguely harked back to more classic anime robo designs, but not really.

Then so far the show has had awful mech battles week after week, with one of the most pathetic mech gimmicks put on the screen in recent times. Oh what, they hate that all robos do these days is swap arms? Well guess what, this time we literally just used whole, untransformed individual trains... as arms!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locke

Because I just find it odd, that so many people are defending such a piece of crap. We rightly hate on Power Rangers for lacklustre projects, but seem happy to promote one of the most watered down sentai robos in years.

I'm not trying to change peoples minds or call anyone out, if you like it, that is your kink and if you get defensive from my solid criticism of a bad design, then that is your issue not mine.

dude... (or dudette). Your posts made going through this thread painful. Unless I'm mis-remembering, I believe you've gone on record as not liking the show or any of its mecha. So why bother going into threads on it? Why spend your time trash talking, and then trying to convince those who disagree that your opinion is right?

It's our issue because you MAKE it our issue by repeatedly forcing your negative opinion down our throats.

I don't watch KR at all. When threads on it pop up, I keep scrolling and click on something that interests me. I don't click into the thread and go "gawd, how can you guys like this crap? it's so uninteresting and boring and blah blah blah".

On topic, I (ironically) also think diesel-oh is meh compared to ToQ-Oh. I originally didn't like ToQ-Oh, but he grew on me when the toy arrived, so maybe that'll be the same here. I DO worry about the long awkward legs though, as I've put tank and carrier on ToQ-Oh and it does look awkward.

Diesel has a shorter torso though, so while it may help in height, it does make it look like he has his pants hiked up.

Either way, preordered Amazon JP says 4/26 -- are releases usually on saturdays? If so, is it so that kids have it to sit and watch the show the next morning?

[Kiryu]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locke

Not to mention the gimmick figures....which actually don't capture the gimmick at all.

Oh yeah. The gimmick figures that look like something BOA would make in the 90s.

[Locke]

You are mis-remembering, I like the show a whole lot. But yeah I think the mecha, and general toyline, really kinda sucks. I've stayed out pretty much all of the ToQ threads bar the weekly discussions and a few posts in the main toy thread here or there, but as this is like the most active thread at the minute it's the place to post.

I've never once tried to change peoples minds, and I have a right to dislike something, same as people have a right to like it. So I fail to see how you giving me shit somehow makes you better than me just posting on a forum which is what it's purpose is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiryu

Oh yeah. The gimmick figures that look like something BOA would make in the 90s.

I actually don't mind the figures too much, but I was disappointed when I found out the gimmick figures didn't even follow the show gimmick.

[Dormamu]

Ah yes, he looks like a proper beard for ToQ Oh with his flippy down breast panel. I'll wait for Ressha Oh Oh OhhhhhMy....

IMAGINATION!

[Starscream Gaga]

I'm actually completely on Locke with this.

"Average" doesn't describe the ToQger line. It has an awesome Changer, a half-decent gun and then crap. The auxiliary mecha so far are jokes, I actually can't believe Tank Train is being sold separately as if it has some merits by itself, its combination is probably the laziest combinations we've ever had and ToQoh is an incredibly simple mecha with none of the fun gimmicks that previous very simple mecha have had. Before him, there's always been a reason for really simple mecha, hollow spring-loaded opening parts for a line-wide gimmick, electronics, etc but ToQoh has nothing, he's literally, "line-up the trains, fold two parts of the Red Train and DONE!" with absolutely zero gimmicks. Functionality with the Changer aside (which Kyoryuger managed without nixing the actual mecha completely of gimmicks) ToQoh does absolutely nothing, which usually only happens on mecha that are fantastic on their own (Magiking, Gaoking) or very old. Its pretty unjustifiable. Doesn't help that Gokaioh and Kyoryujin, the last two simple mecha, were, unless I'm mistaken, the biggest (Kyoryujin) and one of the (second?) biggest (Gokaioh) core mecha we've ever gotten and had awesome gimmicks that extended across their whole line while gimmick-less ToQoh is dead average in height and pretty small in overall mass. The fact that Dieseloh seems to be the exact same situation, just with slightly more transforming of the main train, to me, is a big problem and doesn't give me much hope on the future of the ToQger toyline.

I love collecting DX mecha and I do own ToQoh because I want all core mecha, but I really am disappointed with ToQger mechs. I really feel like they've been super lazy with them. I admit ToQoh's looks have "grown" on me, but that doesn't mean I'm going to excuse the fact that he's extremely lazy and my first reaction after playing him was "Oh. Meh". I love the show, but the toyline is crap. The Changer is great and I play with it often and I own ToQoh for completion reasons but there is NONE of the temptation I get with nearly every other series to go out and buy everything.

Of course, this is my opinion, but I really don't need to actually point that out. I don't think less of people that do like the ToQger toyline, but to me its just not up to scratch. I don't think there's a problem with discussing why we don't like something or asking others why they do, because its all in the discussion of the toy. I could understand if the reasons for not liking it were stupid, but I think they're fairly justifiable.

[GaoMuscle Longhorn]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starscream Gaga

I'm actually completely on Locke with this.

"Average" doesn't describe the ToQger line. It has an awesome Changer, a half-decent gun and then crap. The auxiliary mecha so far are jokes, I actually can't believe Tank Train is being sold separately as if it has some merits by itself, its combination is probably the laziest combinations we've ever had and ToQoh is an incredibly simple mecha with none of the fun gimmicks that previous very simple mecha have had. Before him, there's always been a reason for really simple mecha, hollow spring-loaded opening parts for a line-wide gimmick, electronics, etc but ToQoh has nothing, he's literally, "line-up the trains, fold two parts of the Red Train and DONE!" with absolutely zero gimmicks. Functionality with the Changer aside (which Kyoryuger managed without nixing the actual mecha completely of gimmicks) ToQoh does absolutely nothing, which usually only happens on mecha that are fantastic on their own (Magiking, Gaoking) or very old. Its pretty unjustifiable. Doesn't help that Gokaioh and Kyoryujin, the last two simple mecha, were, unless I'm mistaken, the biggest (Kyoryujin) and one of the (second?) biggest (Gokaioh) core mecha we've ever gotten and had awesome gimmicks that extended across their whole line while gimmick-less ToQoh is dead average in height and pretty small in overall mass. The fact that Dieseloh seems to be the exact same situation, just with slightly more transforming of the main train, to me, is a big problem and doesn't give me much hope on the future of the ToQger toyline.

I love collecting DX mecha and I do own ToQger because I want all core mecha, but I really am disappointed with ToQger mechs. I really feel like they've been super lazy with them. I admit ToQoh's looks have "grown" on me, but that doesn't mean I'm going to excuse the fact that he's extremely lazy. I love the show, but the toyline is crap. The Changer is great and I play with it often and I own ToQoh for completion reasons but there is NONE of the temptation I get with nearly every other series to go out and buy everything.

Of course, this is my opinion, but I really don't need to actually point that out. I don't think less of people that do like the ToQger toyline, but to me its just not up to scratch. I don't think there's a problem with discussing why we don't like something or asking others why they do, because its all in the discussion of the toy. I could understand if the reasons for not liking it were stupid, but I think they're fairly justifiable.

Well said.

One of the reasons I love this design so much (and I DO think I could do better on all of them without sacrificing the rainbow aspect), is that it's what I wanted to see as a mecha; freight trains.

Is it perfect in my eyes? NO. But I am not going to complain about getting what I wished for from something I have no control over.

As for how you swap the limbs, part of the fun there is that it's abusable. While I will agree that Red's train is the only one so far that actually transforms well, the others seem to be of average difficulty for vehicles.

Notably, Pink and Yellow are of the exact difficulty of the Lightspeed Rescue Train versions. Flip out the limb ends, reveal connector.

And I will say that mecha was better than this or ToQOh, even if it was Scramble City.

I like this line for the same reason Baltmatrix does; I see potential along the likes of GaoRanger. But coming off of Go-Busters and Kyoryuger? This is absolutely weak tea.