[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by XW1n5t0nX

NVM

Okies!

Anyway, alt dimension characters died. Dan briefly got to transform before getting axed off, at least. Man, this show has a problem with how long these characters last. I know they tried to do something similar with Ryu and what's his name with Mei and what's her name, but like in "Gai Dies!", there was just no time to establish anything before these new characters get removed from the picture...

[rainsonata]

Well, I decided to return to super sentai and continue on with watching Jetman. I'm in the middle of it and I also started watching Kakuranger. The random narrator in Kakuranger felt off at first, but I learned to love him. He's hilarious. I love Jiraiya's random spouts of English and how it confuses the team.

[XW1n5t0nX]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Okies!

Anyway, alt dimension characters died. Dan briefly got to transform before getting axed off, at least. Man, this show has a problem with how long these characters last. I know they tried to do something similar with Ryu and what's his name with Mei and what's her name, but like in "Gai Dies!", there was just no time to establish anything before these new characters get removed from the picture...

Okay now I can bring this up, I had the wrong episode earlier

Dan in the episode is played by the actor who played Dan/Tricera Ranger in Zyuranger. I just find it hilarious that he was in two Sentais back to back and played a character with the same name.

Spoiler alert, Geki's actor shows up later too and so does toku bad ass Yutaka Hirose.

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by XW1n5t0nX

Okay now I can bring this up, I had the wrong episode earlier

Dan in the episode is played by the actor who played Dan/Tricera Ranger in Zyuranger. I just find it hilarious that he was in two Sentais back to back and played a character with the same name.

Spoiler alert, Geki's actor shows up later too and so does toku bad ass Yutaka Hirose.

Oh, that's pretty neat! I guess they figured the name was just too perfect of a fit for him

[Locke]

Gokaiger 49. The greatest treasure...is the triforce?!

When they introduced the conflict of the fact they couldn't use the remaining five powers because Basco took them by force, I thought a really interesting dynamic had been introduced. But by the time the OPENING credits had rolled, they'd already resolved it... that was pointless.

The next piece of narrative conflict, is sadly utterly pathetic, but also ends up being what the episode is shaped by. The Will of The Earth literally gives you the power to do ANYTHING so you could wish that there was never evil and never will there be evil again. Moral and ethical debates aside, of course. So why is that not worth sacrificing the super sentai powers? The super sentai powers only exist to fight evil, all of the Rangers already gave up their powers to push back evil, so surely removing evil from reality itself is worth also removing the powers from reality itself? I don't get what the problem is here? Choosing to not sacrifice them is just not the most logical choice in any scenario, unless your wish is to see Luka in a maid outfit again.

And if it could be any worse, they chuck in an utterly pointless mech battle right in the middle of the proceedings for no real purpose at all. Because y'know, the mech battles aren't the single most boring part of this show, or anything.

I mean honestly Insarn was pretty cool, but I don't think having a good send off should mean you should also forgive a bad villain. And sadly, that is all Insarn really has been as the most she has done in the entire series was make us laugh in the Carranger episode. Shinknger's villains may have sat on their hands for a lot of the season, but they had in story reasons too. Whether you like them or not, that is up to you.

There is absolutely no in story reason for why the Zangyack are so shit. Especially when you see so many flashbacks of decimated worlds under their reign. And yes I get if they sent all their ships down at once there'd be no story which is why they've had to save it for the last couple of episodes of the season. But the show makes no attempt to truly explain why one monster is being sent down one at a time while about a thousand ships just sit in orbit and if they show doesn't convince me of one of its most basic, core elements then we have a problem here.

[Locke]

Gokaiger 50. Did Marvelous just imply his heart on the right hand side? How fucking corny.

This episode was as frustrating, as it was stupid as it was boring. I thought the whole story of this show was seeing the Gokaiger grow into a true sentai? So why would Marvelous suggest running when the city was being decimated? I wonder how many millions died when they crashed in the city, you think they'd maybe at least try and steer clear?

WHETHER OR NOT TO USE THE WILL OF THE EARTH ISN'T EVEN A CHOICE. FUCKING USE IT, YOU FUCKING MORONS. Ahem. The Pirates care more about a bunch of plastic keys relating to a bunch of powers, and people, they never once cared about for the majority of the series than the innocent lives they're meant to be fighting for in the first place. This is supposed to show the growth of the Gokaiger, but from the extremely conflicted opening sequence to the dialogue that suggests the entire show is aware of how pathetically contrived all this is, it was more like a giant piece of storytelling regression instead.

I mean what, no keys mean the Rangers themselves die? WHY? What sense does that make? What logic is this even operating on? Is that so it makes it seem like more of a choice? Because it still doesn't make a lick of fucking difference. It doesn't even line up with the shows own mythology. Well other than the fact that this show throws in everything into the pot and if it all clashes, call it fucking Shunpei.

And then the show tries to guilt trip the audience 'why would you take it away from them?' what are you talking about? Our sentai cameos have ranged from "I'm gonna use my magic powers, not to fight, but to be mysterious" to "Hey apparently the DekaRangers are still a thing but we aren't helping the Earth with their alien invasion because.." to "I guess teaching kids martial arts while the Earth is invaded is probably useful... somehow...." to "I've got a giant fucking robot lion. Am I fighting? Lol no." to "We're motherfuckin' samurai - what are we helping with the fighting? Oh lol no of course not.". I could go on. If we had actually seen them truly fighting and trying their hardest during the invasion then maybe I could appreciate this more but that is not what happened.

People can defend for themselves?! I legitimately wasn't sure, as in sentai's world there appear to be no police or military and apparently losing your costume is enough for the vast majority of Rangers to full on give up fighting, so I figured the humans would just not even try and fend for themselves by that logic.

Well fuck, only one more episode to go at least. This is fast turning into the worst sentai final I have ever watched. It's like a new writer suddenly joined the show who had never seen a single episode before this. FUCK HUMAN LIVES, BUY TOYS KIDS. BUY TOYS KIDS. BUY TOYS KIDS. BUY BUY BUY! This episode was disgustingly self congratulatory and has put me in the foulest of moods.

[Locke]

Sun Vulcan 01.

Although pretty dated, and really campy, this show has some pretty solid ideas - which at least for this episode - smooth out some of my biggest issues with this franchise in general sadly pretty much all of that is ruined by the intense misogyny of it all.

I really like the Vul Armour but the basically complete lack of any kind of special effects undermines any interest they may have initially provided, although their mecha is pretty cool. But yeah, I won't be watching another episode of this.

[Starscream Gaga]

I wish the Ultimate Treasure was better explained too. I was completely against the idea of not using it, even if it would destroy the potential for future cross overs and stuff and be sort of anti-climatic. It'd definitely have added a layer on what it means to be a Super Sentai if they all agreed to let go of their powers to save the universe from Zangyack once and for all.

They didn't even elaborate on the cost of it. Did it just flat out mean Super Sentai would cease to exist? Does that cross over through time and mean that they never existed? It just, it just didn't make sense really. That's a big minus to the Gokaiger finale for me.

Also, Goushi made a way more fucking convincing argument then the Gokaiger did. I literally screamed at Gai when he shot it. I mean, good going guys, sure the heroes still exist, but that thing could've brought back the billions of lives the Zangyack had killed. Come on. Not doing it is not heroic, its just too dumb to live.

I loved the two-parter from then on though, so we're good, Gokaiger, we're good. Except for the focus of Gai over everyone else in the final few battles, that I didn't like either.

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Starscream Gaga

I wish the Ultimate Treasure was better explained too. I was completely against the idea of not using it, even if it would destroy the potential for future cross overs and stuff. It'd definitely have added a layer on what it means to be a Super Sentai if they all agreed to let go of their powers to save the universe from Zangyack once and for all.

They didn't even elaborate on the cost of it. Did it just flat out mean Super Sentai would cease to exist? Does that cross over through time and mean that they never existed? It just, it just didn't make sense really. That's a big minus to the Gokaiger finale for me.

Also, Goushi made a way more fucking convincing argument then the Gokaiger did. I literally screamed at Gai when he shot it. I mean, good going guys, sure the heroes existed but that thing could've brought back the billions of lives the Zangyack had killed. Come on. That's not heroic, its too dumb to live.

I don't think that's what would have happened. By using the treasure, they would have wiped out Super Sentai, which leads to a common time travel paradox.
Additionally, they'd only eliminate the Zangyack, while there would be decades of other Sentai villains who would not be stopped.

[Starscream Gaga]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I don't think that's what would have happened. By using the treasure, they would have wiped out Super Sentai, which leads to a common time travel paradox.
Additionally, they'd only eliminate the Zangyack, while there would be decades of other Sentai villains who would not be stopped.

OK, so they would've doomed the universe by using it in some way or another by having whatever Sentai villain crop up first win. Is that right?

That makes their decision a lot better, I just wish they'd have explained it a little more or factored that part into their decision making a little more vocally. Or are you saying that's not how it worked? I'm a little confused.

If it meant that the old Sentai villains would've been able to conquer Earth/the universe, then that's a good decision. If all it meant was the past Sentai lost their powers (which they didn't even have at that point in time, I might add) or even died, then that's an awful decision.