Kamen Rider Gaim 36 "The Brothers' Showdown! Zangetsu vs Zangetsu Shin!" Discussion

Brainchild · 07-09-2014, 10:19 PM

Some interesting stuff this episode.
Did anybody notice from that pan up that Redue's skirtpiece looks a lot like Ryugen's? Probably more of a coincidence but it's kinda cool if it isn't.
Does anyone know if Takatora will show up in the movie tie-in next week? That could explain why he hasn't been sent off with flowers yet.
Also Jonnouchi finally got some more lines. That's nice.

Matrixbeast · 07-09-2014, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Vega

I call bullshit! Takatora should have won.

It's what happens when you pit two brothers against each other, and one of them is morally dead.

Suzu · 07-10-2014, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Brainchild

Some interesting stuff this episode.
Did anybody notice from that pan up that Redue's skirtpiece looks a lot like Ryugen's? Probably more of a coincidence but it's kinda cool if it isn't.
Does anyone know if Takatora will show up in the movie tie-in next week? That could explain why he hasn't been sent off with flowers yet.
Also Jonnouchi finally got some more lines. That's nice.

He'll be in the movie, the movie-tie in and, according to the next episode summaries, will appear as some kind of hallucination to Micchi, so yeah, I guess that's why he got no flowers so far.

IXRollOutIX · 07-10-2014, 01:38 AM

I can't believe you're all still talking about that. Those of you who don't think the final battle has anything to do with how it will end up are kidding yourselves. The series is about the four main riders equally. I highly doubt they'd kill off one of them so maliciously. On top of that, there's got to be a reason why Kouta never got Jimber Melon.
Want to know why Takatora never got flowers? Because HE'S NOT DEAD.

RULE #86 OF TOKU: If a character falls into water; presumed dead, THEY'RE NOT DEAD. How many times did that happen in Kabuto? Too many. A few times in Agito and Blade, too. Along with many more. Too many more to count.

Suzu · 07-10-2014, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by IXRollOutIX

I can't believe you're all still talking about that. Those of you who don't think the final battle has anything to do with how it will end up are kidding yourselves. The series is about the four main riders equally. I highly doubt they'd kill off one of them so maliciously. On top of that, there's got to be a reason why Kouta never got Jimber Melon.
Want to know why Takatora never got flowers? Because HE'S NOT DEAD.

RULE #86 OF TOKU: If a character falls into water; presumed dead, THEY'RE NOT DEAD. How many times did that happen in Kabuto? Too many. A few times in Agito and Blade, too. Along with many more. Too many more to count.

This is not Kabuto, nor Blade or Agito, this is Gaim. We had two riders die already and Takatora almost died already once. Urobuchi might stick with the trope, but he also might do the opposite. Besides, we had main characters die quite often the last few years. Not main riders, but back then we only had two riders in most shows anyway. Also, Jinber Melon is just a rumor so far, it was never made a fact so far.

Personally, I would like it more if he were dead. Not because I dislike Takatora, hell no, it's quite the opposite, but because that would make the scene even more meaningful.

Crt · 07-10-2014, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Powerman293

The dude never killed anybody. For someone who never killed, people sure do want him to rot in hell.

RIP Dyudyuonshu.

May you exact your revenge on Mitchy for killing you.

Mitchy deserves to get demolished though.
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He basically did the following things:

Threatened Sid for a Sengoku Driver (Ep 4)

Stopped Kouta from saving people being attacked by Inves (Ep 12)

Stopped Kouta from seeing the truth of Yuuya (Ep 15)

Had Kouta's sister kidnapped and most likely killed if it weren't for Oren (Ep 17)

Prevented Kouta from telling the truth to Mai and guilt-tripped him (Ep 23)

Almost got Mai injured by summoning a shit ton of Inves and blames Kouta (Ep 26)

Shoots Kouta in the back (Ep 26)

Masqueradesd as Zangetsu-Shin and attacks a defenseless Kouta (Ep 28)

Lured Kouta in another attempt to kill him (Ep 29)

Killed Dyudyuonshu (Ep 33)

Tried to manipulate Rat and Rica to be Adam and Eve (Ep 35)

Tried to make Mai doubt Kouta (Ep 35)

Adhered to Redyue's reasoning of killing your family off first as it is the best "thrill" of seeing betrayal in their face. (Ep 36)

Suzu · 07-10-2014, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Crt

He basically did the following things:

Threatened Sid for a Sengoku Driver (Ep 4)

Stopped Kouta from saving people being attacked by Inves (Ep 12)

Stopped Kouta from seeing the truth of Yuuya (Ep 15)

Had Kouta's sister kidnapped and most likely killed if it weren't for Oren (Ep 17)

Prevented Kouta from telling the truth to Mai and guilt-tripped him (Ep 23)

Almost got Mai injured by summoning a shit ton of Inves and blames Kouta (Ep 26)

Shoots Kouta in the back (Ep 26)

Masqueradesd as Zangetsu-Shin and attacks a defenseless Kouta (Ep 28)

Lured Kouta in another attempt to kill him (Ep 29)

Killed Dyudyuonshu (Ep 33)

Tried to manipulate Rat and Rica to be Adam and Eve (Ep 35)

Tried to make Mai doubt Kouta (Ep 35)

Adhered to Redyue's reasoning of killing your family off first as it is the best "thrill" of seeing betrayal in their face. (Ep 36)

"Saa, omae no tsumi wo kazoero!"

Just one correction: Rat and Rica were never called "Adam and Eve". The story he told them was about Noah's Ark, which has nothing to do with Adam and Eve.

AkibaSilver · 07-10-2014, 07:32 AM

Well, screw you Urobutcher. First you make me feel sorry for Micthy by showing me acute version of him, and then you have him kill Takatora. For the second time. . And then you don't kill Redyue. I know you need her alive, but I want her to die so much. ANd I was just planning to tell Oren that his melon is alive

GoseiWonder · 07-10-2014, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Suzu

"Saa, omae no tsumi wo kazoero!"

Just one correction: Rat and Rica were never called "Adam and Eve". The story he told them was about Noah's Ark, which has nothing to do with Adam and Eve.

So they're more like Shem and Japheth then?

Dormamu · 07-10-2014, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Suzu

This is not Kabuto, nor Blade or Agito, this is Gaim. We had two riders die already and Takatora almost died already once. Urobuchi might stick with the trope, but he also might do the opposite. Besides, we had main characters die quite often the last few years. Not main riders, but back then we only had two riders in most shows anyway. Also, Jinber Melon is just a rumor so far, it was never made a fact so far.

Personally, I would like it more if he were dead. Not because I dislike Takatora, hell no, it's quite the opposite, but because that would make the scene even more meaningful.

This. We really hadn't felt anything for Takatora until he was betrayed, and even then there hadn't been any mention of his relationship issues with Mitsuzane save for their passing conversations until they gave us this episode. The fact that it resonated so well because of how it was set up works for Gaim. Keeping his death as fact would be way more meaningful to the story.

07-09-2014, 10:19 PM	#111
Brainchild Miss Tokunation Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,630	Some interesting stuff this episode. Did anybody notice from that pan up that Redue's skirtpiece looks a lot like Ryugen's? Probably more of a coincidence but it's kinda cool if it isn't. Does anyone know if Takatora will show up in the movie tie-in next week? That could explain why he hasn't been sent off with flowers yet. Also Jonnouchi finally got some more lines. That's nice. __________________ I'm also on: Steam\|Flickr\|Tumblr \| 3DS Friend Code: 1805-3583-1511

07-09-2014, 10:41 PM	#112
Matrixbeast Mighty Morphin Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Za Warudo Posts: 25,465	Quote: Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Vega I call bullshit! Takatora should have won. It's what happens when you pit two brothers against each other, and one of them is morally dead. __________________

07-10-2014, 01:38 AM	#114
IXRollOutIX WHAT'S THE NEXT STAGE? Join Date: May 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,699	I can't believe you're all still talking about that. Those of you who don't think the final battle has anything to do with how it will end up are kidding yourselves. The series is about the four main riders equally. I highly doubt they'd kill off one of them so maliciously. On top of that, there's got to be a reason why Kouta never got Jimber Melon. Want to know why Takatora never got flowers? Because HE'S NOT DEAD. RULE #86 OF TOKU: If a character falls into water; presumed dead, THEY'RE NOT DEAD. How many times did that happen in Kabuto? Too many. A few times in Agito and Blade, too. Along with many more. Too many more to count. Last edited by IXRollOutIX; 07-10-2014 at 01:42 AM..

07-10-2014, 07:32 AM	#118
AkibaSilver Warrior of Delusions! Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Wait, you dont know either? Posts: 5,854	Well, screw you Urobutcher. First you make me feel sorry for Micthy by showing me acute version of him, and then you have him kill Takatora. For the second time. . And then you don't kill Redyue. I know you need her alive, but I want her to die so much. ANd I was just planning to tell Oren that his melon is alive __________________ Check out my occasional ramblings! https://akibamusings.blogspot.com/

07-10-2014, 08:24 AM	#120
Dormamu A jump to the sky.. Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,067	Quote: Originally Posted by Suzu This is not Kabuto, nor Blade or Agito, this is Gaim. We had two riders die already and Takatora almost died already once. Urobuchi might stick with the trope, but he also might do the opposite. Besides, we had main characters die quite often the last few years. Not main riders, but back then we only had two riders in most shows anyway. Also, Jinber Melon is just a rumor so far, it was never made a fact so far. Personally, I would like it more if he were dead. Not because I dislike Takatora, hell no, it's quite the opposite, but because that would make the scene even more meaningful. This. We really hadn't felt anything for Takatora until he was betrayed, and even then there hadn't been any mention of his relationship issues with Mitsuzane save for their passing conversations until they gave us this episode. The fact that it resonated so well because of how it was set up works for Gaim. Keeping his death as fact would be way more meaningful to the story. __________________