[Locke]

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It's probably above my last post. Go up two more posts, and you'll see what happened.

Shit man I got so confused, it's 4 am and my mind can't handle this labyrinth.

[KRX]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Shit man I got so confused, it's 4 am and my mind can't handle this labyrinth.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Locke

That is my favourite part of the Transformers franchise - oh yeah it's "trash" trash that has entertained almost as many people as it has made in dollars times a million. I'm sure your piece of shit art film which opened in one theatre to two people is really enjoying that same level of success. He makes his movies, for his fans and we are legion meanwhile the critics continue to show themselves as sheep who do not know a thing about what they are talking about except for their own isolated, insular circles which they call "art".

Except the movies aren't for fans. I grew up on Transformers. I love Beast Wars. Transformers Animated is my favorite Transformers series as it took homages to the original and combined it with the story telling and character development of Beast Wars.

Michael Bay has done nothing but make me hate the entire franchise to the point that I have sold off 99% of my entire Transformers collection. I hate what his movies have done to the series overall as it is spilled over into every other TF medium there is. He turned the series from something special with a unique concept about transforming giant robots that battle each other into walking junkyards mating while making as many sexual innuendos as possible. He took the idea of having good human characters to help the Autobots survive on Earth and turned them into bumbling moronic idiots and actresses that look like professional porn stars with the acting ability of average porn stars.

I would rather go see a good movie like The Grand Budapest Hotel than be disappointed and bored with another bayplosion orgasm that I have already seen a million times before.

When Michael Bay goes back to making something like The Rock, then I'll go back to watching his movies.

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I'm willing to forgive Bay for that statement for a few reasons.

1). He's right. People are going to go see it.

He might be right, but he was a dbag for saying it as his whole attitude towards it proves he doesn't give two crap holes about Transformers. He only sees the $ signs is he given.

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2). The guy has been hearing the same criticisms over and over again for the past seven years. There's a point where he is going to get tired of them.

He can't be hearing them too well if he is still making the same movie over again. Most people actually listen to people's complaints and try to fix it. Bay has done none of that. He just makes each movie worse and longer than the last one. Or maybe he has just gone deaf for creating too many explosions.

The worst part is, he doesn't make sense. His movies feel like they don't even have a script, yet, earlier this year he acted like a spoiled baby and darted off stage because the script wasn't there to tell him what to say. Who knew he was so adamant on having a script?

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3). He's made it quite clear he makes those movies for people who are/want to feel like 13-year-old boys.

That's not how it works. The movies should be growing with their audience, not regressing.

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I don't watch those movies because I want to be challenged. I watch them because I want bto see giant robots turning into giant machines and fight other giant robots. If there is some deeper message or challenging ideas in there, that's great, but that's not why I'm watching.

That is how I felt too. But after a while, you get tired of having the same plot with no character development, dumb humans, and boring ass battles taking place. Not to mention having Megatron be downgraded as he movie goes along. They should have just named the trilogy, "Megatron is Everybody's Bitch" since he is owned by everyone in this series whether it be from a random master that appears two seconds after he says he is in charge to a human woman screaming at him.

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That doesn't mean I don't always want to be challenged. It just means that I know what I'm getting myself into when I watch a Transformers film, and I know how to enjoy it. It won't stop me from watching better movies. It just means that, sometimes, I want to watch a Transformers movie.

And that's okay.

I would love to watch a Transformers movie too, but that is not what Bay gives us. He gives us 80% military human bullshit and then 20% of these giant insect looking scrap piles that don't even look like robots. The only Transformers movie I can watch is the one from 1986 as it is the only one that actually features Transformers.

[XW1n5t0nX]

Everybody's talking about Transformers and here I am just watching some Pinky Violence films

[Powerman293]

Damn if Dr Kain thinks this about the Bay movies, I can't wait to see the wrath of god that will come down on the MMPR movie.

Also, why does the Bay movies want you to sell your Transformers? That makes no sense? Wants you to leave the fandom? That's fine. But how the fuck does the movies intrinsically want you to sell something that is only related by the same franchise.

[XW1n5t0nX]

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Originally Posted by Powerman293

Damn if Dr Kain thinks this about the Bay movies, I can't wait to see the wrath of god that will come down on the MMPR movie.

Also, why does the Bay movies want you to sell your Transformers? That makes no sense? Wants you to leave the fandom? That's fine. But how the fuck does the movies intrinsically want you to sell something that is only related by the same franchise.

He thinks they're so terrible that he's ashamed to be associated in the same fandom as them?

[Powerman293]

Non-Stop

This movie made me feel very uncomfortable, watching Leiam Neiisan hastling people.

I like the amount of intrigue and thinking the first part of the movie goes. Giving you clues and suspicions about who it is on the plane that's doing this.

The main character is very flawed and I'm not one to usually appreciate these types of characters but I liked Neesan's character here.

[KRX]

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-Snip.-

I can understand where a lot of your complaints are coming from (although I think you were a bit out of line with some of your insults). However, I'm a teenage boy, and while I don't act like one most of the time, I think that's the reason I'm able to enjoy these movies. I was nine when the first one came out, and my only prior experience with the franchise was Cybertron. I watched Animated as it aired, but the movie was really influential in me making that decision. While older fans might feel like they're not gettting the movie tthey deserve, the movies are responsible for a large portion of the fandom's growth. And, for that, I think they've earned their place in the franchise.

Also, Optimus Prime riding a dinosaur. That makes me happy and gives me hope.

[Locke]

The whole "it's not faithful to the source material" is like my favourite line. How would the films have benefited, in any way, with sticking closer to the material? You'd expect the original Transformers or their many iterations to be high art and not a long string of mostly trashy attempts to capture some of the more magic, bigger Japanese toy franchises from the past thirty or so years with the way they rip into him. I just utterly fail to see how Bay's vision of the transformers is somehow worse than any other iteration. I mean at least his are big, high concept spectacles unlike Beast Wars for example, which was a show I loved as a child but it's aged so horribly in the last ten or so years I find it unwatchable as an adult.

[Dr Kain]

I'm not complaining about their source material. My problem is that they just don't look like Transformers to me. I cannot even tell some of the characters apart as they all look the same. It's like they just threw garbage on top of a magnet and the drew the image out in the shape of a robot. Their transformations just don't make sense as they hardly even look like the vehicle they are supposed to be hiding as.

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Originally Posted by Powerman293

Damn if Dr Kain thinks this about the Bay movies, I can't wait to see the wrath of god that will come down on the MMPR movie.

Also, why does the Bay movies want you to sell your Transformers? That makes no sense? Wants you to leave the fandom? That's fine. But how the fuck does the movies intrinsically want you to sell something that is only related by the same franchise.

They just completely killed my interest in Transformers. Plus, I could either keep my Transformers or collect Figuarts, and since I was collecting Transformers because of nostalgia, Figuarts won.