The Western Animation Discussion Thread

FirenOh · 10-18-2014, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Electric Turahk

Maybe it's not so bad Ben 10's been cancelled.. Catching up on Omniverse and it just undid preeeeetty much everything we were told in Alien Force and none of it sat right with me or felt necessary in the least...

Well that's okay, cause alien force was bad.

*unpopular opinion*

GoseiWonder · 10-18-2014, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Guyver Spawn

So I watch the show Mr. Pickles on Adult Swim and it's awful. I'm sick of seeing ads for it on TV and everything about is a good example on how not to do adult animated shows. The show is just being sick and gross just be sick and gross. I love violent gross humor like movies from Troma, but Mr. Pickles is the one of the worst cartoons that I've seen in a long time.

Adult animation is rarely good. It's either ugly and boring like Squidbillies or ATHF, ugly and unpleasant like Superjail or Mr. Pickles, well animated but tastless and preachy like Family Guy, or the rare well animated and good quality like Rick & Morty or Psycho-Pass.

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Originally Posted by FirenOh

Well that's okay, cause alien force was bad.

*unpopular opinion*

I thought most people hated Alien Force?

Galvantula · 10-18-2014, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GoseiWonder

Adult animation is rarely good. It's either ugly and boring like Squidbillies or ATHF, ugly and unpleasant like Superjail or Mr. Pickles, well animated but tastless and preachy like Family Guy, or the rare well animated and good quality like Rick & Morty or Psycho-Pass.

I thought most people hated Alien Force?

From what I've read online about Alien Force it's not hated but it does have strong dislike over the retcons, which is a shame.

While I don't agree with what Dwayne tried to do with magic AF was overall a good show. Season 3 was hurt badly with resetting Ben to his OS maturity levels and part of why the Ben 10 series is doing so badly is because too much of the first series' flaws keep bleeding in, making it look like continuity is overall meaningless along with the dueling retcons.

Omniverse isn't the best Ben 10 show but it's enjoyable so long as you accept it's a HUGE love letter to the first show. If we (meaning just me at this point over at Tokunation) luck out and get a 10th anniverritsy show I'd like to see a better balance between the lighter parts and the darker subject matter. Keep it around Omniverse's level of lightness, but perhaps a few more dark scenes plus Ben needs to be more mature. Also the aliens could go for some rebalancing (Atomix can keep his title of the 2nd strongest but he needs a valid weakness in order to avoid his Gary Stu rap)

There's not a whole hell of a lot of superhero shows out now. I really want Ben 10 to make it to its 10th but with how divided its fanbase is now I doubt that may happen.

@GoseiWonder: Yes, a fellow Rick and Morty fan! Are you waiting for Season 2 too?

Yellow Ranger · 10-18-2014, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Paladin

And the new Transformers series is supposed to air on Cartoon Network now too. Makes me shudder to think of it.

Damn it I don't have that channel.

Matrixbeast · 10-18-2014, 10:49 PM

I don't know how to feel about Ben 10 as a whole. I really enjoyed the first series, but I know it's not perfect. But a big part of what made the action so much fun was that Ben didn't always get the transformation he wanted, so he had to improvise for his fights. But AF and UA he always got the transformation he wanted, and that weighed down fights since he always went with his muscle alien...On the flip side, Ben as a character wasn't as dickish, Kevin was fun, and Gwen was alright.

I know Ultimate Alien changed things up by making the fights more interesting by having Ben not just use his muscle characters in fights, but by that point I had lost interest. Omniverse was really fun, but it did pander way too much to the original Ben 10 than the other series.

Guyver Spawn · 10-18-2014, 11:20 PM

I never got into Ben 10. I was in High School when it first came out and I pretty much stop watching Cartoon Network at the time besides Toonami and Adult Swim. For a kids show, it was pretty cool. If I was 10 years younger at the time then I would love it.

Matrixbeast · 10-18-2014, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Guyver Spawn

I never got into Ben 10. I was in High School when it first came out and I pretty much stop watching Cartoon Network at the time besides Toonami and Adult Swim. For a kids show, it was pretty cool. If I was 10 years younger at the time then I would love it.

Don't worry. I was a freshman in High School when it first came out, and I was trying to get into that phase of "If it ain't animu, then it's clearly a kid show" but my younger brother (Who I shared a room with) loved it and always watched it when it came on. So I couldn't ignore it and got into it, too.

Drago Rider · 10-22-2014, 06:11 PM

behold next years Scooby Doo.

GoseiWonder · 10-22-2014, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Drago Rider

behold next years Scooby Doo.

Oh god, WHATS WRONG WITH HIS FACE?!

losondro · 10-22-2014, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Drago Rider

behold next years Scooby Doo.

10-18-2014, 04:58 PM	#2281
FirenOh A Stingray With Bad Taste Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: LOMAM Posts: 98	Quote: Originally Posted by Electric Turahk Maybe it's not so bad Ben 10's been cancelled.. Catching up on Omniverse and it just undid preeeeetty much everything we were told in Alien Force and none of it sat right with me or felt necessary in the least... Well that's okay, cause alien force was bad. unpopular opinion __________________

10-18-2014, 10:03 PM	#2283
Galvantula Neon Blade Outlaw Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Californa Posts: 2,725	Quote: Originally Posted by GoseiWonder Adult animation is rarely good. It's either ugly and boring like Squidbillies or ATHF, ugly and unpleasant like Superjail or Mr. Pickles, well animated but tastless and preachy like Family Guy, or the rare well animated and good quality like Rick & Morty or Psycho-Pass. I thought most people hated Alien Force? From what I've read online about Alien Force it's not hated but it does have strong dislike over the retcons, which is a shame. While I don't agree with what Dwayne tried to do with magic AF was overall a good show. Season 3 was hurt badly with resetting Ben to his OS maturity levels and part of why the Ben 10 series is doing so badly is because too much of the first series' flaws keep bleeding in, making it look like continuity is overall meaningless along with the dueling retcons. Omniverse isn't the best Ben 10 show but it's enjoyable so long as you accept it's a HUGE love letter to the first show. If we (meaning just me at this point over at Tokunation) luck out and get a 10th anniverritsy show I'd like to see a better balance between the lighter parts and the darker subject matter. Keep it around Omniverse's level of lightness, but perhaps a few more dark scenes plus Ben needs to be more mature. Also the aliens could go for some rebalancing (Atomix can keep his title of the 2nd strongest but he needs a valid weakness in order to avoid his Gary Stu rap) There's not a whole hell of a lot of superhero shows out now. I really want Ben 10 to make it to its 10th but with how divided its fanbase is now I doubt that may happen. @GoseiWonder: Yes, a fellow Rick and Morty fan! Are you waiting for Season 2 too? __________________ 3DS F.Code: 2363 6720 7569 Quote: Originally Posted by Mmicb0b inb4 his final form is just MetalCluster Hopper wearing all the belts

10-18-2014, 10:49 PM	#2285
Matrixbeast Mighty Morphin Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Za Warudo Posts: 25,457	I don't know how to feel about Ben 10 as a whole. I really enjoyed the first series, but I know it's not perfect. But a big part of what made the action so much fun was that Ben didn't always get the transformation he wanted, so he had to improvise for his fights. But AF and UA he always got the transformation he wanted, and that weighed down fights since he always went with his muscle alien...On the flip side, Ben as a character wasn't as dickish, Kevin was fun, and Gwen was alright. I know Ultimate Alien changed things up by making the fights more interesting by having Ben not just use his muscle characters in fights, but by that point I had lost interest. Omniverse was really fun, but it did pander way too much to the original Ben 10 than the other series. __________________

10-18-2014, 11:45 PM	#2287
Matrixbeast Mighty Morphin Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Za Warudo Posts: 25,457	Quote: Originally Posted by Guyver Spawn I never got into Ben 10. I was in High School when it first came out and I pretty much stop watching Cartoon Network at the time besides Toonami and Adult Swim. For a kids show, it was pretty cool. If I was 10 years younger at the time then I would love it. Don't worry. I was a freshman in High School when it first came out, and I was trying to get into that phase of "If it ain't animu, then it's clearly a kid show" but my younger brother (Who I shared a room with) loved it and always watched it when it came on. So I couldn't ignore it and got into it, too. __________________

10-22-2014, 06:11 PM	#2288
Drago Rider Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 791	behold next years Scooby Doo. __________________