[ElConvoy]

Which I think is alot better for what the character actually represents now.

Venom hasnt been a Villain for ages and since Flash took over the symbiote they pushed him more and more into a heroic direction. Especially now that the symbiote that once posessed Brock is now nolonger there after this weeks issue of Guardians.

[algo448]

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And it's fine...

But their reasoning really rubs me the wrong way.

"Kids today don't know Venom was a villain so let's just ignore that and keep making him look more heroic."

Just incredibly disrespectful to all the work put into him as a villain... And he's always been one of my favorite Spidey villains and I'll always think of him as that monster. But it looks like they never want that aspect to show up again.

Venom is still a villain in the cartoons, and toys also depict his more villanous form, so I doubt they'll compeltely erase that role for him,
This simply is due to Flash's development in the comics.

The new suit is sleek, though personally I prefer the miltary one.

[ElConvoy]

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Venom is still a villain in the cartoons, and toys also depict his more villanous form, so I doubt they'll compeltely erase that role for him,
This simply is due to Flash's development in the comics.

The new suit is sleek, though personally I prefer the miltary one.

Pretty much. in other media you will always get the Brock-Venom. Just in the comics there is no real reason anymore to keep Venom a villain.

[Kiwami]

Sorry, but I just want Venom to be Venom again. The initial character as a „lethal protector“ with a little bit of silly craziness was the best the character was ever at. After that, it watered down drastically for me. He started eating people and was a freakin monster, then he becomes some kind of super-agent. That's not Venom for me.

I acknowledge that the Agent Venom comics are really good, but I still can't accept how they mangled Venom, or Symbiots in general. I mean just look at what a freaking mess this is with all the Symbiotes. Anti-Venom was an interesting concept that was never properly developed and got killed of too quickly. And they killed poor old Mulligan just so they can give Brock a Symbiot. Again. Which isn’t really doing anything. Last time I saw him he made peace with Flash and that's it.

The new costume looks stupid, like something Ben 10 would turn into. First they killed of Venom's most defining look, the sharp-toothed mouth with the big tongue, and now they kill the last thing that was left of the face? It looks ass.

I guess I'll still have to wait for the reboot, when Brock somehow ends up with the Symbiot again and is just being an anti-hero again.

[ElConvoy]

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Originally Posted by Kiwami

Sorry, but I just want Venom to be Venom again. The initial character as a „lethal protector“ with a little bit of silly craziness was the best the character was ever at. After that, it watered down drastically for me.
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I guess I'll still have to wait for the reboot, when Brock somehow ends up with the Symbiot again and is just being an anti-hero again.

Brock sucks. After his initial introduction in the comics he just became a character without any real purpose. the lethal protector era was just a dumb concept. they tried to make Brock an anti hero who could still somewhat work as a villain and it failed. The Character soon became nothing more but a joke. There was nothing left of his early presence as a dark mirror of Spider-Man and the novelty of "Oh he is Spider-Man but eeeeevil." rubeed off extremely quick.

Only with Flash Thompson as Venom did they finally manage to make Venom a character again and not just a gimmick. Flash has a personality you can actually work with and tell stories in the long run that are actually worthwhile.

With Brock you never had that. they tried to move that character forward and never could. Thats why that character fell into the background becuase they just couldnt manage to keep that guy relevant in any form.

[Kiwami]

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Only with Flash Thompson as Venom did they finally manage to make Venom a character again and not just a gimmick.

What? Last time I saw him a few months ago he was still Flash Thompson with a suit. That could have changed since I don't bother following this crap, but it was still “Big-cliche Thompson” with a Symbiot, nothing more.

[ElConvoy]

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What? Last time I saw him a few months ago he was still Flash Thompson with a suit. That could have changed since I don't bother following this crap, but it was still “Big-cliche Thompson” with a Symbiot, nothing more.

Dont know what you have read but that surely aint what he was in his solo series.

[Yellow Ranger]

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Originally Posted by ElConvoy

Brock sucks. After his initial introduction in the comics he just became a character without any real purpose. the lethal protector era was just a dumb concept. they tried to make Brock an anti hero who could still somewhat work as a villain and it failed. The Character soon became nothing more but a joke. There was nothing left of his early presence as a dark mirror of Spider-Man and the novelty of "Oh he is Spider-Man but eeeeevil." rubeed off extremely quick.

Only with Flash Thompson as Venom did they finally manage to make Venom a character again and not just a gimmick. Flash has a personality you can actually work with and tell stories in the long run that are actually worthwhile.

With Brock you never had that. they tried to move that character forward and never could. Thats why that character fell into the background becuase they just couldnt manage to keep that guy relevant in any form.

Yup I say let that remnant of the 90s die...

[Kiwami]

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Dont know what you have read

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his solo series

Exactly that...

[algo448]

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Originally Posted by Kiwami

What? Last time I saw him a few months ago he was still Flash Thompson with a suit. That could have changed since I don't bother following this crap, but it was still “Big-cliche Thompson” with a Symbiot, nothing more.

He's not just Flash with a suit, the Symbiote was still very much alive, instead of Brock's Villainous Spidey, Flash's is full on Anti-Hero Spidey, he is a man who looks up to Spider-Man as his greatest hero, but due to his physical and mental limitations he can only manage to be a subpar version of him, a broken man trying to reach a goal that might very well be impossible for him.
Venom is still Spider-Man's shadow, but now on a more personal level, and of course, the psychotic tendencies of the Symbiote are still hidden inside.

if it's not for you that's okay, but it's a really good change for the character.