[ElConvoy]

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Originally Posted by Kiwami

Exactly that...

Then I really dont get you man. Flash is a fleshed out character in that who struggles with his past as a bully and the troubled life that led him to that and his suffering as an alcoholic later on. His trauma after losing his legs in the war but never stopping and trying to do good in the world and atoning for the wrongs he has done in the past. A broken man who inside was still just a kid that never had the proper guidance to become a man. His wish to be a hero like Spider-Man is what drives him to use the Venom symbiote for good. To try to be the best version of himself he can be without losing control of the beast that is still inside him.

If you really see just the old clicheed Thomspon in this than I really cant help you.

[Kiwami]

The main problem I have with this character is that they heavily reused traits from other characters to make him work. Remember Tiny? They carbon-copied the whole “alcoholic father I'm starting to drink too”-thing from a character that admittedly was similar to Flash, but still. I liked the idea of Flash changing and going to the army back then, because it was interesting that the same dude he always gave a hard time actually changed his life without him knowing it. But now he is a character that just isn't working for me, partially because of the whole “I'm Spider-Man kinda but in the end I'm Black Spider-Man with guns and call myself Venom”-thing. The character just isn’t doing anything interesting for me.

And I still don't see why he needs to be Venom. He could have any super-power or magical/technological gizmo and the outcome would still be the same. I know what they’re going for because of the relationship of Peter and Flash and because Spider-Man was a big part of Flash's life, but it’s just not working for me.

Venom needed the change, and if they ever do a reboot they should cut the majority of pointless Symbiots and rework the concept. Until then I guess I'll have to wait for Toxins own series.

[Paladin]

I really liked the version of Eddie Brock presented in "The Spectacular Spider-Man", ie- a glimpse at what Peter would've been like without growing up in a loving environment & learning the kind of life morals that would eventually make him an effective superhero.

[ElConvoy]

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Originally Posted by Paladin

I really liked the version of Eddie Brock presented in "The Spectacular Spider-Man", ie- a glimpse at what Peter would've been like without growing up in a loving environment & learning the kind of life morals that would eventually make him an effective superhero.

Spectacular was just a great show all around. Really sad that they decided to cancel that show and replace it with that piece of shit show that is Ultimate Spider-Man.

[Electric Turahk]

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Originally Posted by ElConvoy

Which I think is alot better for what the character actually represents now.

Venom hasnt been a Villain for ages and since Flash took over the symbiote they pushed him more and more into a heroic direction. Especially now that the symbiote that once posessed Brock is now nolonger there after this weeks issue of Guardians.

Woahwoahwoah. Explain that please? How is it even Venom then??

But since I don't read the comics, not like my opinion matters to anyone here... Just nostalgia speaking for my interest in the old Venom I guess.

[ElConvoy]

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Originally Posted by Electric Turahk

Woahwoahwoah. Explain that please? How is it even Venom then??

And I guess since I don't read the comics, not like my opinion matters to anyone here...

The Symbiote was drawn back to its homeworld where Flash and the rest of the Guardians of the Galaxy were filled in by the supreme intelligence of the Klyntar (the name of the symbiotes race) about the origins of the symbiotes. They are a hivemind organism that travels the cosmos in the search of the most brave and noblest warriors in the universe to maintain piece and order. The symbiote that got itself attached to Spidey and brought to earth was a renegade symbiote no longer collected to the supreme intelligence.

On the Klyntar homeworld the symbiote got integrated again into the hivemind and is now 100% in symbiosis with Flash Thompson. So Flash has now full control over the symbiote.

[Yellow Ranger]

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Originally Posted by ElConvoy

The Symbiote was drawn back to its homeworld where Flash and the rest of the Guardians of the Galaxy were filled in by the supreme intelligence of the Klyntar (the name of the symbiotes race) about the origins of the symbiotes. They are a hivemind organism that travels the cosmos in the search of the most brave and noblest warriors in the universe to maintain piece and order. The symbiote that got itself attached to Spidey and brought to earth was a renegade symbiote no longer collected to the supreme intelligence.

On the Klyntar homeworld the symbiote got integrated again into the hivemind and is now 100% in symbiosis with Flash Thompson. So Flash has now full control over the symbiote.

Holy retcon Batman!

[Kiwami]

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Originally Posted by ElConvoy

The Symbiote was drawn back to its homeworld where Flash and the rest of the Guardians of the Galaxy were filled in by the supreme intelligence of the Klyntar (the name of the symbiotes race) about the origins of the symbiotes. They are a hivemind organism that travels the cosmos in the search of the most brave and noblest warriors in the universe to maintain piece and order. The symbiote that got itself attached to Spidey and brought to earth was a renegade symbiote no longer collected to the supreme intelligence.

Wow. That's a shitty retcon if I ever saw one. Symbiots are a hivemind that searches for noble warriors to maintain peace? What the serious fuck? Next thing you know they give out power rings.

Thank god I haven't read this, I would have thrown that comic into trash immediately.

[ElConvoy]

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Originally Posted by Kiwami

Wow. That's a shitty retcon if I ever saw one. Symbiots are a hivemind that searches for noble warriors to maintain peace? What the serious fuck? Next thing you know they give out power rings.

Thank god I haven't read this, I would have thrown that comic straight in the trash.

And since its a Bendis creation even if they would do a full blown starting from scratch reboot this wont go away anytime soon. The opposite would be more likely in that they would further cement this origin of the symbiotes.

[Kiwami]

You know they can depict Symbiots as a peaceful and somewhat noble race and make Venom and his kin the black sheep of the family, that's fine with me, since the Venom Symbiot was in a prison cell for a reason. But guardians of piece and order in the galaxy? That's just dumb.

And that' the first thing that get's thrown under the bus when they reset the universe, since then nobody will care from which planet the thing comes from.