[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by LiamLee

Sentai has male damsels in distress all the time and you don't complain about it. What's wrong with having females as damsels in distress?

You seem to have a very stereotypical set of desires. Not to be mean, but you want an all male team, you want women to be limited to pink, white, and yellow (Which, after Ohranger, became mostly female), and you want more women to be damsels in distress, which is an age old trope that, at the risk of sounding like an dick, kind of marginalizes women...

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by LiamLee

I prefer the damsel in distress to be female. This is just my opinion. In fact, we are not getting enough in Sentai.

The MRAs have invaded Tokunation.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

...you want more women to be damsels in distress, which is an age old trope that, at the risk of sounding like an dick, kind of marginalizes women...

Marginalizes, dehumanizes, objectifies, proliferates inequality, presents women as a prize to be won instead of a human with desires (which in turn propagates rape culture)... But, you know, this guy doesn't care so we should have more of all of that.

Wow. Just... wow.

[Kamen Rider Lolita]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha

The MRAs have invaded Tokunation.

I had to Google that. So “MRA” is an abbreviation of “Men’s Rights Activist”?

And to answer LiamLee’s question, no, there’s wrong with damsels in distresses. I just think it’s possible for a girl to be strong and feminine. And what’s wrong with Sentai having more “action girls”?

[GoseiWonder]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lolita

I had to Google that. So “MRA” is an abbreviation of “Men’s Rights Activist”?

And to answer LiamLee’s question, no, there’s wrong with damsels in distresses. I just think it’s possible for a girl to be strong and feminine. And what’s wrong with Sentai having more “action girls”?

Yes, it's the inverted form (and as I find, reactionary parody that some idiots took seriously) of the more female-centric SJW/Social Justice Warrior. Both groups that, I find, squabble over petty shit under the guise of fighting for legitimate issues that neither seem to really care about.

Cute feminine girly girls and spunky action tomboy girls are both good, when written properly. The former gets flak because in the past it's often made the ONLY trait of the character, whereas the latter can often result in what amounts to a crossdressing macho man. Both suck. Want some good female characters? Katara and Toph from Avatar and the Mane 6 from MLP.

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by GoseiWonder

Yes, it's the inverted form (and as I find, reactionary parody that some idiots took seriously) of the more female-centric SJW/Social Justice Warrior. Both groups that, I find, squabble over petty shit under the guise of fighting for legitimate issues that neither seem to really care about.

Cute feminine girly girls and spunky action tomboy girls are both good, when written properly. The former gets flak because in the past it's often made the ONLY trait of the character, whereas the latter can often result in what amounts to a crossdressing macho man. Both suck. Want some good female characters? Katara and Toph from Avatar and the Mane 6 from MLP.

It's a good thing we have people like GoseiWonder to arbitrate the legitimacy of a group's concerns.

The "damsel in distress" trope has nothing to do with characters being "girly girls" or "action tomboys." Both of those traits can lead to well-rounded and humane characters.

No, the issue has to do with female characters being presented as objects to be won instead of legitimate human beings with their own agency and strength. This trope is a problem because many in the real world already view women as objects, and it perpetuates a toxic system of oppression.

It is not as big of a problem when men are presented in the same role because that toxic system of oppression does not apply to men in the real world as strongly as it does to women. Although, it is still lazy and dehumanizing, and the male damsel is something I think writers should be wary of as well.

In summation, the male/female (but especially female) damsel in distress trope is lazy and dehumanizing and should be avoided at all costs.

[Zaragon]

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Originally Posted by LiamLee

Sentai has male damsels in distress all the time and you don't complain about it. What's wrong with having females as damsels in distress?

There's nothing wrong with either. People make mistakes or are just in the wrong place at the wrong time, but one of the strongest aspects of Super Sentai is it's focus on team work. To have people you can rely on to get you out of a tight spot.

Frankly though, your stance is still puzzling to me, since this is a franchise that has had at least one woman in a proactive role since the very beginning. Heck, how do you even cope with there already being several female blues?

[GoseiWonder]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha

It's a good thing we have people like GoseiWonder to arbitrate the legitimacy of a group's concerns.

Um... Thanks, I think?

[GoldenXtreme]

Wooooow, check out how derailed this got!

On topic though, I hate it when there is a large and interesting supporting cast that never gets fleshed out. As much as I love Fourze, I always felt like the Kamen Rider Club could have been so much more interesting. They had a variety of skills and talents and it really does feel like they are building them up at first, but they ended up mostly ignored in the end. From the one Sentai I've watched so far, Abaranger, I found the supporting cast even more lame. It just baffles me why they even bother having these characters if they aren't going to do anything with them.

(I would love to see a well done female Kamen Rider myself. I think Bandai should just hire me already.)

[LiamLee]

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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV

Examples please.

Ryu from Dairanger was always the one getting caught and had to be saved. I think it was 2 or 3 times the whole series?

In Kakuranger, it's always Saizou, Seikai and Jiraiya that needs saving. Though, Tsuruhime joins them from time to time, like twice the whole season but the damsels are never without the three guys. The person/people saving is always either Sasuke or Sasuke and Tsuruhime.

In Toqger, Tokkachi. He's the one who always gets the bomb on his head or gets the death note and had to be saved by his teammates.

There is another male on the Sentai I'm watching now but it's best not to talk about it yet to avoid spoilers.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

You seem to have a very stereotypical set of desires. Not to be mean, but you want an all male team, you want women to be limited to pink, white, and yellow (Which, after Ohranger, became mostly female), and you want more women to be damsels in distress, which is an age old trope that, at the risk of sounding like an dick, kind of marginalizes women...

No, that's fine. There's nothing wrong with being stereotypical.

Oh, and aside from pink, white and yellow, I would like purple to be women's color too. The rest can be male colors, ESPECIALLY green. This isn't really marginalizing women because I wouldn't want men to be in pink or purple as well. No no, please don't talk about geki violet. I haven't watched that season yet. I think purple is a feminine color. And female damsels in distress resembles our real world.

[LiamLee]

I'm no MRA but I prefer them over feminists. That's just me.

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lolita

I had to Google that. So “MRA” is an abbreviation of “Men’s Rights Activist”?

And to answer LiamLee’s question, no, there’s wrong with damsels in distresses. I just think it’s possible for a girl to be strong and feminine. And what’s wrong with Sentai having more “action girls”?

Who said it's impossible? All I'm saying is, I prefer a female damsel in distress. The different the characters are, the better.