[MnemonicSyntax]

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Originally Posted by Kiwami

You know what really isn't necessary? Calling a show "shit" after seeing the first few leaked promotional pieces of it.

And I'm not defending a show I haven’t seen yet, I'm just sick of the attitude some people have around here. You can call a show shit if it actually is shit; I don’t care, but going around and doom saying a show that is three months away from being aired is stupid.

You can dislike and criticize the designs all you want, like I do, because I think they look horrible, but you called the whole show shit. And you have no reason to because the show isn’t out yet.

I told you already, if I can't find it visually appealing then all the story in the world won't save it. This isn't a book here.

I won't "give it a chance" because I can't stand looking at it. Sorry if that bothers you, but you don't get to decide how I feel about anything.

It's shit. To me. End of.

[Fish Sandwich]

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Originally Posted by MnemonicSyntax

I told you already, if I can't find it visually appealing then all the story in the world won't save it. This isn't a book here.

I won't "give it a chance" because I can't stand looking at it. Sorry if that bothers you, but you don't get to decide how I feel about anything.

It's shit. To me. End of.

See, it's fine and dandy to have your own opinion, and feel free to not watch the show if you know you're not going to like it, but that kind of negativity seems a little boring.

Like, have you ever tried giving something you thought you wouldn't like a chance? I don't wanna sound like a parent telling their kid to eat their vegetables, but are you sure you aren't missing out?

I've seen tons of people say that watching the show MADE the designs cool to them, even if they didn't like them at first. Not just "I can put up with them", either. They gave the show a watch and it totally turned their opinion around.

[AgileSiamang7]

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Originally Posted by Kiwami

You know what really isn't necessary? Calling a show "shit" after seeing the first few leaked promotional pieces of it.

And I'm not defending a show I haven’t seen yet, I'm just sick of the attitude some people have around here. You can call a show shit if it actually is shit; I don’t care, but going around and doom saying a show that is three months away from being aired is stupid.

You can dislike and criticize the designs all you want, like I do, because I think they look horrible, but you called the whole show shit. And you have no reason to because the show isn’t out yet.

Except when you can, like when Fox makes a Dragon ball movie and every design and actor choice shown before the movie's release through posters and trailers screams "this is not worth your time", or when a new Ghostbusters movie is coming out and the black member is yet again not the scientist, just a normal person next to her 3 smart white friends, and they tell you this through the trailers and online information handed out, leading you to think "I tolerated this when I was younger, why is this new movie doing the exact same thing but pretending to be different?"

If the show wasn't out yet AND we hadn't seen Rider that look like cheap McDonald's toys, then saying we hate the show already would be bullshit. But instead we've at least seen how our main hero, therefore the focus, is going to look, and if that doesn't hook some of us we are allowed to call it shit. A television show is both a visual pleasure and a storytelling experience. If the story is Shakespearean amazing but you have to look at utter garbage to experience it, why put yourself through that when you can instead watch something that's both visually appealing and has a good story, instead of settling because "well the designs are horrible, but I don't know the story yet so let me subject myself to this hot mess in the undeserving hope that it talks better than it looks".

Me, I'll maybe watch 3 episodes before I give up based on what I'm seeing here, but no one is required to apply themselves to your way of judging when it's time to call something shit, and considering the times you've been hard on a season other's have liked while it's still airing, that's not really fair of you to get on Syntax for being critical in their own way beforehand.

[ScrapMetaru]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

This can't be real. You mean that WASN'T AN AKIBARANGER PHOTOSHOPPED?

You know what, I think I'm done with Kamen Rider at this point. At least for the main series. I'll check out Amazons when it comes to the US, but that is it. That is hands down the worst looking Kamen Rider designs ever. Why does it look like a Super Nintendo game controller on his chest?

I just... I just can't. Suddenly Ghost and Drive don't look so stupid. They should just call this Kamen Rider 4Kids, because the show is now as dumb as Sentai. It looks like Majin Boo cosplaying as an Akibaranger. It looks like the 90s just threw up on a Kamen Rider and forgot to clean itself up. Next thing we know, he will be fighting the villiaonous Eco-Warriors who are trying to pollute the planet.

Jeez, chill out man. Did a fun looking kids show kill your parents?

[MnemonicSyntax]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

See, it's fine and dandy to have your own opinion, and feel free to not watch the show if you know you're not going to like it, but that kind of negativity seems a little boring.

Like, have you ever tried giving something you thought you wouldn't like a chance? I don't wanna sound like a parent telling their kid to eat their vegetables, but are you sure you aren't missing out?

I've seen tons of people say that watching the show MADE the designs cool to them, even if they didn't like them at first. Not just "I can put up with them", either. They gave the show a watch and it totally turned their opinion around.

It's not really negative if you don't let my opinion of something sway yours.

And sure, I get what you're saying. I'm not shallow at all regarding matters on most things and generally don't judge a book by it's cover. With people, or everyday life, I tend to be more open-minded. But with something like my own personal entertainment? Nah.

If it doesn't draw me in, hard pass. This not only doesn't draw me in but makes me want to run in the opposite direction.

It's like when someone says the graphics suck on a video game. I'm not that kind of person. I still enjoy Loderunner, some 30 years later. The graphics are stickmen. It's still fun.

But I can't look at this. I can't. Unlike some people in this thread, it doesn't remind me of warm memories of 90s video gaming, it just looks atrocious.

I even tried to find something in the whole GAMER DRIVER thing, trying to relate it to something like FOOT STINKS! but I... I can't. It's terrible. It's supposed to be high-tech (and for a video game based Rider to boot) and it's just... terrible.

It doesn't, to me, invoke feelings of fun. And that's why I pass on it.

I will say that his name being Emu (if that's what it is) is clever though.

[Kiwami]

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Originally Posted by AgileSiamang7

Except when you can, like when Fox makes a Dragon ball movie and every design and actor choice shown before the movie's release through posters and trailers screams "this is not worth your time", or when a new Ghostbusters movie is coming out and the black member is yet again not the scientist, just a normal person next to her 3 smart white friends, and they tell you this through the trailers and online information handed out, leading you to think "I tolerated this when I was younger, why is this new movie doing the exact same thing but pretending to be different?"

That comparison is weak and you know it. In all the cases you have seen actual parts of the movie/show which can spark objective criticism. What we've seen here is armor and weapons, nothing else. And every opinion on those is purely subjective. If you try to call the show shit because you think how it’s gonna play out based on the designs you’re being ignorant. Again: Not liking the designs and not wanting to watch the show because of it is absolutely fine. Calling the whole show shit because you don’t like the designs isn’t.

Also, you cannot compare reboots or live-action adaptations to a franchise which defines itself completely new every year. Or at least tries to. Because Kamen Rider doesn’t need to check any rules besides the hero being a masked Rider on a motorcycle.

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Originally Posted by AgileSiamang7

If the show wasn't out yet AND we hadn't seen Rider that look like cheap McDonald's toys, then saying we hate the show already would be bullshit. But instead we've at least seen how our main hero, therefore the focus, is going to look, and if that doesn't hook some of us we are allowed to call it shit. A television show is both a visual pleasure and a storytelling experience. If the story is Shakespearean amazing but you have to look at utter garbage to experience it, why put yourself through that when you can instead watch something that's both visually appealing and has a good story, instead of settling because "well the designs are horrible, but I don't know the story yet so let me subject myself to this hot mess in the undeserving hope that it talks better than it looks".

Again, subjective. And you cannot get a focus from the main hero’s armor. Because I’m quite sure no one predicted how Gaim would turn out once they first saw it and mocked it as a Malaysian Rider knockoff.

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Originally Posted by AgileSiamang7

Me, I'll maybe watch 3 episodes before I give up based on what I'm seeing here, but no one is required to apply themselves to your way of judging when it's time to call something shit, and considering the times you've been hard on a season other's have liked while it's still airing, that's not really fair of you to get on Syntax for being critical in their own way beforehand.

You’re right, no one is required to apply to that, and I don’t understand why you guys think I insist on that. I simply say don’t judge a book by its cover.

If you don't want to watch it then don’t watch, if you want to criticize the designs for being bad in your opinion do it, but don’t argue how you have the right to call a whole show shit when you haven't even seen anything besides the costume design, weapons and gimmicks yet.

[Fish Sandwich]

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Originally Posted by MnemonicSyntax

It's not really negative if you don't let my opinion of something sway yours.

And sure, I get what you're saying. I'm not shallow at all regarding matters on most things and generally don't judge a book by it's cover. With people, or everyday life, I tend to be more open-minded. But with something like my own personal entertainment? Nah.

If it doesn't draw me in, hard pass. This not only doesn't draw me in but makes me want to run in the opposite direction.

It's like when someone says the graphics suck on a video game. I'm not that kind of person. I still enjoy Loderunner, some 30 years later. The graphics are stickmen. It's still fun.

But I can't look at this. I can't. Unlike some people in this thread, it doesn't remind me of warm memories of 90s video gaming, it just looks atrocious.

I even tried to find something in the whole GAMER DRIVER thing, trying to relate it to something like FOOT STINKS! but I... I can't. It's terrible. It's supposed to be high-tech (and for a video game based Rider to boot) and it's just... terrible.

It doesn't, to me, invoke feelings of fun. And that's why I pass on it.

I will say that his name being Emu (if that's what it is) is clever though.

Fair enough then, but I think using phrasing as blunt as "this is shit" can be a little off-putting to people, hence why they jumped down your throat like that. Maybe lead off with the detailed reasoning next time. It'll save a lot of internet arguing.

[Tokumonkey]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I wanted to comment on the suits, but this thread makes me want to kill myself.

Heh! I feel you, but you kinda knew what you were going to find here, though, right?

I wasn't around when the first catalog images for Kamen Rider Gaim were leaked, but I assume the conversation was pretty similar. "It's the end of the world! It's gonna be awful! I'm done with Kamen Rider!" Actually, I kinda wonder what my reactions would've been. I remember my first reaction to hearing about a fruit theme was "I'm out," so that informs how I'm reacting to Ex-Aid.

To be clear, the color combinations remind me of the Nerf aisle at Target exploding in the most horrible way possible. "Garish" is putting it lightly. The driver looks even less practical than usual. As a Figuarts enthusiast, I'm wincing over how that's going to limit head articulation, or how to the Level 1 face on the back will mess with head articulation.

With that said...

I'm excited that this is going to be a multi-Rider show from the outset. The preview image suggests yet another Rider. Although I don't care for the design of most of the unique weapons, I'm very pleased that there are unique weapons, and I'm hoping this will continue through the series as we uncover (I suspect) additional Riders. The structure of a multi-Rider show grants it lots and lots of narrative options. The multiple forms/modes shown here aren't all focused on the main Rider, but are spread across them. This makes me hopeful because one of the things I didn't enjoy about the early episodes of Drive and Ghost was the plots centering around new power-ups for the main hero. (Colorful Commercial and Robin Hood, I'm looking at you.)

I'm hoping that Kamen Rider Racer will be a proper character. I'm also curious about Genmu, since on its face, it looks more like an inevitable color-swapped movie Rider, but the images suggest Genmu's role is different, and more in line with a main character.

A wide cast of Riders could indicate that we're going to have fewer non-Rider supporting characters, which is not necessarily a bad thing. (Drive and Ghost seemed to struggle a bit over what to do with some of their supporting characters.)

The series could be good or bad... or both, given Ghost's odd trajectory. I'm curious as to whether they'll manage the chibi forms in a way that strikes me as cool/awesome rather than unfortunate. I'd have said it was impossible, but I'd probably have said that about the giant, descending fruit, too.

[Powerman293]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

Oh my gosh, those were the exact words too, weren't they? Why Maylasia?

I have a good feeling I'll like the show no matter what, but I'm curious what the tone will be. Probably more of the same as Ghost, but I wonder if it might be like Rider's very own Carranger, or blow everyone's mind and be the next Gaim.

Why Malaysia? I dunno, because I guess Southeast asia is sterotyped with coming up with thier own toku like stuff that looks somewhat like Rider designs but not quite. And people picked Malaysia because?

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

AHHHHHHH! THE INCOHERENT BELT!!! THAT LA GEAR GRAFFITI FONT!!! THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT HELMET-HAIRSTYLES (ONE HAS FREAKING SIDE-SWOOPED BANGS)!!!

I'm sitting at my desk vibrating with giddy joy, but I'm trying not to squeal in front of my coworkers. I don't want to explain to them that I'm having a pleasure seizure over Japanese children's super hero shows.

But holy goddamn Christ, these designs are FIRE!!! I am deeply, deeply in love with the look of this thing.

I feel like I've died and gone to some sort of Kamen Rider-meets-Lisa Frank-meets-Fresh Prince of Bel Air-meets-SNES heaven tailored specifically to my tastes.

After two years of lackluster design work, I wondered if Rider would ever again provide the "holy-shit-this-is-bonkers" insanity that drew me to the show in the first place. Well, wonder no more -- cause Ex-Aid is mind-blowingly nutzo.