DC Comics Appreciation Thread

Matrixbeast · 08-06-2016, 11:48 PM

Yup. DC wants the tone that characters like Swamp Thing or Constantine can carry, but they're only interested in making movies for the big names, and it's not meshing well.

Maybe DC will realize one of these days.

Dr Kain · 08-07-2016, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiryu

Yeah, people tend to forget that Marvel stumbled out of the gate with their non MCU films too.

There's a difference though. The Marvel films were not made by Marvel, they were made by various companies. Even the worst Marvel Studios film (Thor 2 and Iron Man 2) are still entertaining movies even if they couldn't live up to their predecessors.

Blades 2 and 3 were from New Line. Elektra, X3, and DareDevil were from Fox. Hulk was Universal. Ghost Rider and Spider-Man 3 were Sony.

DC's films have always been made by DC. Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Batman & Robin, Superman 3 and 4, Constatine, etc. I believe the only exception being Return of the Swamp Thing.

Best way I can put Suicide Squad is that there is an excellent film in what was haphazardly edited together.

KRX · 08-07-2016, 02:05 AM

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No, it's not Geoff Johns at all. Look at how the man brought back Hal Jordan, gave us the greatest Wally West Flash run ever, and then brought Barry back. The man knows these characters and knows how to write them. Yeah, so he killed off Barry's mom, big deal. Barry is my favorite Flash, always has been, but the silver age stuff had him so cookie cutter. It wasn't until things happened with him in the 70s where he really became a great person, so Johns was trying to add another dynamic to the character.

The issue is Didiot because he believes everything has to be dark and serious. He even made the comments that heroes should not be allowed to get married because they have sacrified their happiness to save others. Didiot was pretty much doing to DC over the last five years what Quesada was doing to Marvel ten years ago.

I just hope the worst of DC is over with Rebirth (at least for the next 20 years until they screw it up again).

Hal Jordan wasn't even that great.

More often than not, the dude would get defeated by a paper bag or his own clumsiness than he would anything else. Sure, he's got historical significance, and the Parallax shift was kinda dumb, but he's FAR from the greatest Green Lantern of all time. Johns might've changed that, (in the mainstream DC continuity--Darwyn Cooke wrote the best Hal Jordan story of all time,) but it was only AFTER Kyle Rayner had time to take on the challenges of the mantle.

Bringing back Barry was completely unnecessary (and something that Grant Morrison technically wrote). Johns wrote the stories that reintegrated him into the DC Universe, but Barry's story had an arc that was finished beautifully and Wally had been the Flash for longer. Bringing Barry back was a character regression that may have delivered two awesome runs with Francis Manapul and my favorite show on TV, but that doesn't change the hackneyed nature of his return.

The Flash is a character that Geoff Johns himself said shouldn't be dark, but he was the guy who took a simple and elegant backstory and added an unnecessary amount of brooding grit to it.

Geoff Johns is a writer who's stuck on the past--and sometimes it's for the better (Superman: Secret Origin). Lately, though, it's come at the cost of the future (The Flash: Rebirth, DC Universe: Rebirth).

DiDiio has a hand in the company's direction, to be sure, as does Jim Lee, but Geoff Johns is the guy at the head of the charge.

Guyver Spawn · 08-07-2016, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

There's a difference though. The Marvel films were not made by Marvel, they were made by various companies. Even the worst Marvel Studios film (Thor 2 and Iron Man 2) are still entertaining movies even if they couldn't live up to their predecessors.

Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3 and The Incredible Hulk are okay movies in my opinion. While they are entertaining, they do suffer from having weak scripts. I think live action superhero comic book movies in general don't have that great of a track record. Most of them are pretty bad in my opinion.

Sunred · 08-07-2016, 08:29 AM

Planning to catch a matinee for Suicide Squad soon.
Wish me luck ladies and gentlemen.

Dr Kain · 08-07-2016, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by KRX

Hal Jordan wasn't even that great.

More often than not, the dude would get defeated by a paper bag or his own clumsiness than he would anything else. Sure, he's got historical significance, and the Parallax shift was kinda dumb, but he's FAR from the greatest Green Lantern of all time. Johns might've changed that, (in the mainstream DC continuity--Darwyn Cooke wrote the best Hal Jordan story of all time,) but it was only AFTER Kyle Rayner had time to take on the challenges of the mantle.

I don't know what to tell you. My first Lantern comic was Kyle's premier issue, but every adult I knew said Hal was the greatest Lantern and hated Kyle. And then when Hal was coming back every one older than me praised it.

To say the Rebirth stuff wasn't great would be a lie though, as Johns has given us the best GL material in decades. Sinestro forming his own corp, the different Lantern corps in general, and Blackest Night are all brilllaint and some of the best stuff to come out of DC after the 2000s.

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Bringing back Barry was completely unnecessary (and something that Grant Morrison technically wrote). Johns wrote the stories that reintegrated him into the DC Universe, but Barry's story had an arc that was finished beautifully and Wally had been the Flash for longer. Bringing Barry back was a character regression that may have delivered two awesome runs with Francis Manapul and my favorite show on TV, but that doesn't change the hackneyed nature of his return.

I prefer Barry, but I can see where you are coming from.

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The Flash is a character that Geoff Johns himself said shouldn't be dark, but he was the guy who took a simple and elegant backstory and added an unnecessary amount of brooding grit to it.

He didn't add any brooding grit to it. Having a tragic past doesn't make it gritty, it adds character to it. Besides, are you certain this was Johns' choice?

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Geoff Johns is a writer who's stuck on the past--and sometimes it's for the better (Superman: Secret Origin). Lately, though, it's come at the cost of the future (The Flash: Rebirth, DC Universe: Rebirth).

DC Rebirth has been a masterpiece so far. It feels like the DC universe again and the heroes feel like heroes.

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DiDiio has a hand in the company's direction, to be sure, as does Jim Lee, but Geoff Johns is the guy at the head of the charge.

No, Didiot is making the decisions and Johns has to follow them.

Kiryu · 08-07-2016, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

There's a difference though. The Marvel films were not made by Marvel, they were made by various companies. Even the worst Marvel Studios film (Thor 2 and Iron Man 2) are still entertaining movies even if they couldn't live up to their predecessors.

Funny thing is, DC is doing exactly what Marvel did back in those days: they're licensing out their properties to too many people instead of keeping it all in house.

Annuga · 08-07-2016, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiryu

Funny thing is, DC is doing exactly what Marvel did back in those days: they're licensing out their properties to too many people instead of keeping it all in house.

Aren't all the movies done by WB and Zach Snyder?

Kiryu · 08-07-2016, 10:33 AM

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Aren't all the movies done by WB and Zach Snyder?

Yeah but we also have the TV shows by CW and NBC.

Just the fact that they didn't use the CW TV Universe as the basis for their movie universe is baffling to me...

Annuga · 08-07-2016, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiryu

Yeah but we also have the TV shows by CW and NBC.

Just the fact that they didn't use the CW TV Universe as the basis for their movie universe is baffling to me...

A friend of mine is a huuuuge comic nerd and he said DC believes the audience is too stupid to know the difference between the universes, case and point Suicide Squad in Arrowverse being built up, but then no payoff because 'the audience couldn't POSSIBLY tell the two apart' after movie plans were being done

08-06-2016, 11:48 PM	#2301
Matrixbeast Mighty Morphin Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Za Warudo Posts: 25,457	Yup. DC wants the tone that characters like Swamp Thing or Constantine can carry, but they're only interested in making movies for the big names, and it's not meshing well. Maybe DC will realize one of these days. __________________

08-07-2016, 01:39 AM	#2302
Dr Kain Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Englewood CO Posts: 10,893	Quote: Originally Posted by Kiryu Yeah, people tend to forget that Marvel stumbled out of the gate with their non MCU films too. There's a difference though. The Marvel films were not made by Marvel, they were made by various companies. Even the worst Marvel Studios film (Thor 2 and Iron Man 2) are still entertaining movies even if they couldn't live up to their predecessors. Blades 2 and 3 were from New Line. Elektra, X3, and DareDevil were from Fox. Hulk was Universal. Ghost Rider and Spider-Man 3 were Sony. DC's films have always been made by DC. Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Batman & Robin, Superman 3 and 4, Constatine, etc. I believe the only exception being Return of the Swamp Thing. Best way I can put Suicide Squad is that there is an excellent film in what was haphazardly edited together. Last edited by Dr Kain; 08-07-2016 at 01:43 AM..

08-07-2016, 02:05 AM	#2303
KRX Mild-Mannered Reporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Everywhere and nowhere, according to String Theory. Posts: 5,462	Quote: Originally Posted by Dr Kain No, it's not Geoff Johns at all. Look at how the man brought back Hal Jordan, gave us the greatest Wally West Flash run ever, and then brought Barry back. The man knows these characters and knows how to write them. Yeah, so he killed off Barry's mom, big deal. Barry is my favorite Flash, always has been, but the silver age stuff had him so cookie cutter. It wasn't until things happened with him in the 70s where he really became a great person, so Johns was trying to add another dynamic to the character. The issue is Didiot because he believes everything has to be dark and serious. He even made the comments that heroes should not be allowed to get married because they have sacrified their happiness to save others. Didiot was pretty much doing to DC over the last five years what Quesada was doing to Marvel ten years ago. I just hope the worst of DC is over with Rebirth (at least for the next 20 years until they screw it up again). Hal Jordan wasn't even that great. More often than not, the dude would get defeated by a paper bag or his own clumsiness than he would anything else. Sure, he's got historical significance, and the Parallax shift was kinda dumb, but he's FAR from the greatest Green Lantern of all time. Johns might've changed that, (in the mainstream DC continuity--Darwyn Cooke wrote the best Hal Jordan story of all time,) but it was only AFTER Kyle Rayner had time to take on the challenges of the mantle. Bringing back Barry was completely unnecessary (and something that Grant Morrison technically wrote). Johns wrote the stories that reintegrated him into the DC Universe, but Barry's story had an arc that was finished beautifully and Wally had been the Flash for longer. Bringing Barry back was a character regression that may have delivered two awesome runs with Francis Manapul and my favorite show on TV, but that doesn't change the hackneyed nature of his return. The Flash is a character that Geoff Johns himself said shouldn't be dark, but he was the guy who took a simple and elegant backstory and added an unnecessary amount of brooding grit to it. Geoff Johns is a writer who's stuck on the past--and sometimes it's for the better (Superman: Secret Origin). Lately, though, it's come at the cost of the future (The Flash: Rebirth, DC Universe: Rebirth). DiDiio has a hand in the company's direction, to be sure, as does Jim Lee, but Geoff Johns is the guy at the head of the charge. __________________ \|Tumblr\|Twitter\|Pinterest\|

08-07-2016, 02:33 AM	#2304
Guyver Spawn Tokusatsu Hero Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,292	Quote: Originally Posted by Dr Kain There's a difference though. The Marvel films were not made by Marvel, they were made by various companies. Even the worst Marvel Studios film (Thor 2 and Iron Man 2) are still entertaining movies even if they couldn't live up to their predecessors. Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3 and The Incredible Hulk are okay movies in my opinion. While they are entertaining, they do suffer from having weak scripts. I think live action superhero comic book movies in general don't have that great of a track record. Most of them are pretty bad in my opinion. __________________ She/Her

08-07-2016, 08:29 AM	#2305
Sunred Ex-Weather Three leader Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 11,665	Planning to catch a matinee for Suicide Squad soon. Wish me luck ladies and gentlemen. __________________