[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha

Um... you can tell all that from a 2.5 minute trailer where most of the supporting characters speak one sentence? And where those sentences are exclusively terse and moody? And where everyone except Emu and the nurse look about 5-10 years older and more mature than any supporting Rider cast in years? And where these's literally one character, the girl in the pink wig, who seems even remotely like slap-stick comic relief? You must have some magical powers of prognostication.

But you know, it has all those "generic archetypes" like disgraced, money hungry ex-surgeons and video game developing hospital executives. I've seen those so many times before.

It's one thing to hate the designs, I get that. But your supposed "criticisms" are not at all apparent in the trailer I just watched. It seems like you're bringing a lot of your own baggage to the table.

It has a guy trying to be a goofball. The useless female who is just there to look pretty and giving her undying support to the main character. The brooding rival who has to be snotty at every remark just because. The silly man who is supposed to be the boss. The other man, who has heart, but is useless. Oh yeah, and then there is the cosplayer, who is supposed to be weird and you are supposed to like her because she dresses weird and cutesy. Sorry, but I'm tired of watching the same thing over.

Where is the innovation? Where is the new feel? Where are actors that don't look like they were just in the last 4 Kamen Rider series? Everyone looks the same. I want new. I want unique. I want Toei to stop hiding in the safe zone and actually go back to taking risks with innovation.

As for slapstick, did you not see the scene where he transforms and is as fat as Kingpin? Yeah, I get it that it's supposed to be like the armor mode of Kabuto, but come on. It's not funny, it's not cute, it's just stupid.

[Matrixbeast]

Color me hopeful. Don't know what to expect, though.

[Annuga]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

It has a guy trying to be a goofball. The useless female who is just there to look pretty and giving her undying support to the main character. The brooding rival who has to be snotty at every remark just because. The silly man who is supposed to be the boss. The other man, who has heart, but is useless. Oh yeah, and then there is the cosplayer, who is supposed to be weird and you are supposed to like her because she dresses weird and cutesy. Sorry, but I'm tired of watching the same thing over.

Where is the innovation? Where is the new feel? Where are actors that don't look like they were just in the last 4 Kamen Rider series? Everyone looks the same. I want new. I want unique. I want Toei to stop hiding in the safe zone and actually go back to taking risks with innovation.

As for slapstick, did you not see the scene where he transforms and is as fat as Kingpin? Yeah, I get it that it's supposed to be like the armor mode of Kabuto, but come on. It's not funny, it's not cute, it's just stupid.

Yes, because only Sentai can have goofy people. Yuusuke acted goofy at times, Agito tennised with a frying pan, Shinj Kido played footy in his office, Takumi's introduced looking for stolen underwear, Kenzaki gets kicked out by a granny and is scared by her, Tendou frantically buys more meals for lottery tickets, literally all of Den-Oh, Shotaro was a goofball, Eiji was a goofball, Gentarou was a goofball, Kouta was a goofball at first, Shinnosuke was a goofball at first, and that's ONLY the main characters of what I've seen and remembered. Even then, it's not like CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT exists in drama shows like KR.
'useless female character' I kinda want to give you this, but I remember Akari actually getting shit done despite Ghost being bad
'silly man who is supposed to be the boss' Kabuto, Blade, Kuuga, Fourze, Wizard and Gaim didn't have these
'Other man who has heart but is useless' because a trailer will show EVERYTHING a character will do in the show amirite
'cosplayer' we've had comedic characters before with varying results, but the way they work is how they react to situations and their personalities
'muh innovation' Innovation for the sake of innovation is dumb. Not to mention the new video game theme, the apparent focus on patients hasn't really been done, doctors were only done by Birth iirc, etc. Oh, and again, character development might prove unique shit, as Drive proved to be quite different late game compared to other shows. Oh, and Gaim was very innovative for Neo-Heisei standards

'slapstick chibisuits' Humour is subjective, I find the chibis to be cute too, as it's also subjective. Plus, from what we know, the only wacky thing about the chibi forms is the fact they are chibi. They were made to perform surgery on victims on Bugsters or something

It's fine to dislike it based on the trailer. It's fine being unsatisfied with Rider for a few years. But it's not fine to pull shit out of your ass

[Fish Sandwich]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Where is the innovation? Where is the new feel? Where are actors that don't look like they were just in the last 4 Kamen Rider series? Everyone looks the same. I want new. I want unique.

The innovation is absolutely nowhere when you only look as skin-deep as humanly possible. At this rate you may as well complain that the show features a protagonist and will have episodes that are roughly 22 minutes long.

[GoldenXtreme]

(Who let Simon Blackquill from Ace Attorney become a Kamen Rider?)

But seriously, I'm digging the vibes I am getting. I like the idea of a focus on the patients too.

[Annuga]

I'd also like to argue that a franchise that's lasted as long as Kamen Rider doesn't really have the option to innovate constantly considering they'd eventually run out of ideas

[AkibaSilver]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

The innovation is absolutely nowhere when you only look as skin-deep as humanly possible. At this rate you may as well complain that the show features a protagonist and will have episodes that are roughly 22 minutes long.

Shouldn't have either of those. Should have 45 minute long episodes and only an antagonist.

[Talisman]

Moooooooooom! Ghost is hogging the TV! It's my turn and I want to play Ex-Aid!

[IXRollOutIX]

I don't think Dr. Kain and I watched the same trailer.

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

It has a guy trying to be a goofball. The useless female who is just there to look pretty and giving her undying support to the main character. The brooding rival who has to be snotty at every remark just because. The silly man who is supposed to be the boss. The other man, who has heart, but is useless. Oh yeah, and then there is the cosplayer, who is supposed to be weird and you are supposed to like her because she dresses weird and cutesy. Sorry, but I'm tired of watching the same thing over.

First off: I empathize with your desire for something new. But...

I think it's ridiculous that you're so certain who these characters are based on a 2.5 minute trailer where each member of the supporting cast has one line. The entire function of these trailers is to reduce complex stories and characters into easily digestible, bite size pieces so they can be sold to audiences who are expecting a recognizable product. Do you really expect nuanced, iconoclastic characterization from a format like that?

Is it possible that you'll end up being right, and these people will be nothing but hollow archetypes? Yes! But it's impossible to determine that from a 2.5 minute trailer, especially when that trailer is designed to appeal to very young children.

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Where is the innovation? Where is the new feel? Where are actors that don't look like they were just in the last 4 Kamen Rider series? Everyone looks the same. I want new. I want unique. I want Toei to stop hiding in the safe zone and actually go back to taking risks with innovation.

You don't think these suits and designs are innovative and new? You don't think they're taking risks by going with a wildly different aesthetic? Not liking how this show looks doesn't suddenly negate all of the new, unique things they're doing visually. It seems like you're overlooking all of the elements that are new and different just because you don't like them.

But setting aside the fact that they are very obviously doing a lot of things that are new and different -- you're acting like Kamen Rider is the most innovative franchise on Earth. I'm gonna call BS on that -- it's really not. Every season shares a lot of the same details, and they all employ the same tropes, going back 45 years. This franchise is not based on huge revolutions in content from year to year, it's about subtle variations on the same themes. Over decades things may appear to change a lot, but from show to show things are usually very similar.

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As for slapstick, did you not see the scene where he transforms and is as fat as Kingpin? Yeah, I get it that it's supposed to be like the armor mode of Kabuto, but come on. It's not funny, it's not cute, it's just stupid.

I wouldn't say LVL1 Ex-Aid is doing anything overtly slapstick-y in the footage, but I do agree that it is the element of the show I don't quite understand yet. I'm skeptical about the LVL1 form -- in fact, I'm really, really nervous about it -- but I'm going into the show with an open mind.

Kain, I don't want you to think that I'm saying your opinion is wrong, or that you absolutely have to like everything you're seeing. I'm not -- you can feel however you like. I just think you're leaping to a lot of conclusions that aren't necessarily supported (and in some cases are completely contradicted) by the information we've been presented.