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11-25-2016, 09:02 PM | #21 |
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First a little disclaimer: Judging from some of the replies in this thread, I feel I might have misused the expression "Lost its edge" a little bit. I did not mean the show used to be darker and edgier than it is now, but that the show currently does not display the quality it used to.
Given that English is my second language, I might have used the expression wrongly.
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11-25-2016, 09:27 PM | #22 |
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I mean, it was pretty clear from context what you meant by "edge" (i.e. the show's not as sharp as it used to be), but I think when people hear someone use that word to talk about Power Rangers they assume you're wondering why the characters aren't going around cursing all the time or something.
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Pink's Monster Pregnancy - Totally Edge Rangers, Bro!
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The biggest issue that the Power Rangers franchise suffers from right now, this very instant, is the whole schtick about trying to "recapture Mighty Morphin". Samurai suffered from a very short turnaround - we're talking scripts were still being written while production was happening. Where Megaforce/Super Megaforce and Dino Charge/Dino Supercharge had well over a year to prepare, Samurai/Super Samurai was literally handled last-minute, almost to the same degree that RPM was (one of the reasons Eddie G was "fired" was due to him missing script deadlines, sometimes by over a week).
But don't kid yourself - the issues that plagued Samurai/Super Samurai also stem from Jonathon Tzachor and his love for Sentai translation. He always believed the way Power Rangers should be handled is "translating the Sentai", much like Bruce Kalish did post-SPD. We literally have lines from Emily in Samurai that, if you take the same lines from Shinkenger (written in kanji) and throw them in to Google Translate, YOU GET WORD FOR WORD WHAT SHE SAID. I mean, we even had Kevin imposed on to a Sentai scene so it didn't have to be re-shot. With Megaforce, the show tried to recapture Mighty Morphin and pay homage to it with the high school setting and the same colors being the same type of character tropes. Megaforce, for all its flaws, was actually well written (you can't help that some of the actors couldn't act). But those writers were removed and the original Samurai writers brought back in for Super Megaforce. That's why in Super Megaforce you see more "line for line" translation in the story as opposed to creating new stories. To top it off, Jason Smith (who played Red Ranger Jungle Fury Casey) was brought on to help be a story editor and he was very vocal about his love for Sentai, often watching the subtitles as they were released like the rest of us. The episodes that he was credited on also happen to be some of the heavy "Sentai team" usage episodes. I don't think that's a coincidence. After Super Megaforce aired, he went silent on Power Rangers and has yet to (as far as I know) speak about his time as a story editor. I know I reached out to him and asked him (from the TokuNation account) if he'd be willing to do an E-mail interview. His response was to unfollow the account, so whatever. With Dino Charge, you see a heavy influence of Chip Lynn as the head writer. In fact, a majority of the episodes in Dino Charge are written by Chip Lynn. That's reflected in the episodes and what many call "stereotypical Chip" in terms of the story and the character dialogue. However, Chip is also working up Becca Barnes to take over the helm of writing on Power Rangers. In Dino Supercharge, Chip was the main writer on only important "new Ranger/new villain/new power-up" episodes. All the others, including the finale, Becca is the head writer. Now, Becca has been around prior to Dino Charge - she is not credited but I remember her name being involved in the mix somehow. And I'm not meaning to throw blame at her feet. But the writing (ha) is on the wall - when your name is plastered as the head writer and producer of a majority of the episodes of a second-half of a series that is seen by a majority of older fans as a literal crash and burn, you do have to shoulder some of that responsibility. Heckyl is cast out of Sledge's ship and is now a good guy? You need to show it, not just tell the audience and have him save Shelby once. Lord Arcanon shows up after ONE mention from Singe a couple episodes prior? That feels incredibly shoe-horned, like someone said "Hey, we need to add this scene so he doesn't just show up". Kendall becomes a Power Ranger and literally does LESS than she did before. Tyler's reunion with his father was one of the worst told stories in Power Rangers. You want to talk about the show spoon-feeding you how important this is without actually making it feel important? There you go. WITH NO RESOLUTION. At least in RPM, when Scott had daddy issues, it was a BIG deal, everyone could relate to it. They spent the episode building his, and Gem's, character out of it in what is one of my favorite Power Rangers episodes of all time for the entire franchise. But that story continued throughout the entire series prior and after that episode. And then there's a resolution. I feel that the push in Dino Supercharge to get filming done ASAP and at as low of a cost as possible is a legit excuse. Davi Santos mentioned in an interview with Power Rangers Now that by the end of filming they were not given as much freedom as they had in the beginning. And you want to know how rehearsed your heroes are? Having been in the room with them as they are re-prepped for interviews they are literally told how to sit, who sits next to who, who has what lines to say and what things are not okay to say, and one emphasis is to always mention Mighty Morphin and make sure if you have a favorite Ranger it's always good to name an original one. Mighty Morphin. Mighty Morphin! MIGHTY MORPHIN. MIGHTY MORPHIN!!!! The original series is going to be the death of the franchise. Because the one thing NO ONE at the top understands is that NO ONE wants to see a rehash of Mighty Morphin. No one wants to have the 14th version of the original Megazord. No one wants to play the 34th Nickelodeon game featuring MMPR sprites. If you're going to give us Mighty Morphin, you should have given us the Kyoryuger/Zyuranger/Abaranger scenes from GoBuster vs Kyoryuger. If you're going to give us Mighty Morphin, cave in to the actors' demands and pay them so the fans can have that reunion they all desperately want. Use it to tie up all the loose ends. To quote an anonymous individual who is/was and may still be/not be part of the Power Rangers production: "Imagine what could happen if TOEI stopped writing Super Sentai down to an elementary school age level show as to not compete with Kamen Rider. And imagine what could happen if Saban stepped in and pushed to get something better. And imagine what could happen if Saban allowed for more creative freedom in what the show is and not just a rough translation of Super Sentai." I love Power Rangers. I'll give Ninja Steel a shot. But after 6 years of disappointment, a couple glimmers of hope only to be shot back down to the same place I was before, I don't have much hope left. Obviously, when Saban was trying to save the series after the original Mighty Morphin, it was "all hands on deck do whatever you have to pay to bring back this or that actor" (Jason was brought back for Zeo to boost ratings, and part of the deal was for him to have a role in the next movie, hence his appearance in Turbo Movie). 25th anniversary? Probably a clip show.
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11-26-2016, 12:39 AM | #26 |
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Mighty Morphin. Mighty Morphin! MIGHTY MORPHIN. MIGHTY MORPHIN!!!! The original series is going to be the death of the franchise. Because the one thing NO ONE at the top understands is that NO ONE wants to see a rehash of Mighty Morphin. No one wants to have the 14th version of the original Megazord. No one wants to play the 34th Nickelodeon game featuring MMPR sprites. Mighty Morphin is the only thing that sells and to the general public PR begins and ends with Mighty Morphin. |
11-26-2016, 01:04 AM | #27 |
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I can kind of understand why Saban wanted and tried to recapture the vibe of Mighty Morphin’ for Samurai and Megaforce. At least they had the excuses of being, respectably, the first “Neo-Saban” and anniversary installments. Megaforce had the potential to be the original for a new generation. But what excuse do Dino Charge, Ninja Steel and subsequent series have (anniversaries aside)?
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11-26-2016, 01:31 AM | #28 |
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But why? Just because it was the one that started it all and is likely the most iconic? Mighty Morphin’ isn’t the be all and end of Power Rangers.
I can kind of understand why Saban wanted and tried to recapture the vibe of Mighty Morphin’ for Samurai and Megaforce. At least they had the excuses of being, respectably, the first “Neo-Saban” and anniversary installments. Megaforce had the potential to be the original for a new generation. But what excuse do Dino Charge, Ninja Steel and subsequent series have (anniversaries aside)? Saban just wants to keep that golden goose laying eggs basically. Last edited by Yellow Ranger; 11-26-2016 at 01:55 AM.. |
11-26-2016, 01:46 AM | #29 |
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Well, I've seen PLENTY of reasons people have put out which I totally agree with, so I'm not gonna reiterate those. But I think one big reason that I see that I don't think others have brought up yet is the very quality of this generation's television production policies. I have a sneaking suspicion based on the track record of the quality of kids shows that recently two things have been happening:
1. Companies have been getting more greedy & are caring more for money than quality than before(look at Nickelodeon right now for example), and 2. They've started implementing more regulations on writers' creativity & options(in other words, censorship on words, visuals, etc)
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But don't kid yourself - the issues that plagued Samurai/Super Samurai also stem from Jonathon Tzachor and his love for Sentai translation. He always believed the way Power Rangers should be handled is "translating the Sentai", much like Bruce Kalish did post-SPD. We literally have lines from Emily in Samurai that, if you take the same lines from Shinkenger (written in kanji) and throw them in to Google Translate, YOU GET WORD FOR WORD WHAT SHE SAID. I mean, we even had Kevin imposed on to a Sentai scene so it didn't have to be re-shot.
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With Megaforce, the show tried to recapture Mighty Morphin and pay homage to it with the high school setting and the same colors being the same type of character tropes. Megaforce, for all its flaws, was actually well written (you can't help that some of the actors couldn't act). But those writers were removed and the original Samurai writers brought back in for Super Megaforce. That's why in Super Megaforce you see more "line for line" translation in the story as opposed to creating new stories.
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With Dino Charge, you see a heavy influence of Chip Lynn as the head writer. In fact, a majority of the episodes in Dino Charge are written by Chip Lynn. That's reflected in the episodes and what many call "stereotypical Chip" in terms of the story and the character dialogue. However, Chip is also working up Becca Barnes to take over the helm of writing on Power Rangers. In Dino Supercharge, Chip was the main writer on only important "new Ranger/new villain/new power-up" episodes. All the others, including the finale, Becca is the head writer.
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Heckyl is cast out of Sledge's ship and is now a good guy? You need to show it, not just tell the audience and have him save Shelby once. Lord Arcanon shows up after ONE mention from Singe a couple episodes prior? That feels incredibly shoe-horned, like someone said "Hey, we need to add this scene so he doesn't just show up". Kendall becomes a Power Ranger and literally does LESS than she did before. Tyler's reunion with his father was one of the worst told stories in Power Rangers. You want to talk about the show spoon-feeding you how important this is without actually making it feel important? There you go. WITH NO RESOLUTION.
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And you want to know how rehearsed your heroes are? Having been in the room with them as they are re-prepped for interviews they are literally told how to sit, who sits next to who, who has what lines to say and what things are not okay to say, and one emphasis is to always mention Mighty Morphin and make sure if you have a favorite Ranger it's always good to name an original one.
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If you're going to give us Mighty Morphin, you should have given us the Kyoryuger/Zyuranger/Abaranger scenes from GoBuster vs Kyoryuger. If you're going to give us Mighty Morphin, cave in to the actors' demands and pay them so the fans can have that reunion they all desperately want. Use it to tie up all the loose ends.
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I love Power Rangers. I'll give Ninja Steel a shot. But after 6 years of disappointment, a couple glimmers of hope only to be shot back down to the same place I was before, I don't have much hope left. Obviously, when Saban was trying to save the series after the original Mighty Morphin, it was "all hands on deck do whatever you have to pay to bring back this or that actor" (Jason was brought back for Zeo to boost ratings, and part of the deal was for him to have a role in the next movie, hence his appearance in Turbo Movie).
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