[Annuga]

Just got back from Homecoming. Hoooooly shit was that good. The second post credits scene was amazing too

[Dr Kain]

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Remember when these films acknowledged he has goddamn Spider-sense? I sure don't. Now I'm not expecting it to have flared up just before he found out Toombes was Liz's father or anything but there were SO many instances in this film where it should have.

Here's the way I look at it. Do you really need to see his spider sense activate every time? We saw him use it in Civil War, so it's there, they just didn't emphasize it. Now with that said, I do think showing it go off just before the Vulture reveal scene would have helped.

Karen needs to go ASAP. I'm fine with the suit being Stark tech, I can deal with his vision being like a readout, but the AI crap was just too much. It said a lot that the best scenes were the ones where he used the homemade suit, because that's exactly what Spider-Man should be. He doesn't need all the tech because he's smart enough to do it himself. Now if the point of it all was simply to prove he didn't need the suit and in the next film he has the proper suit but without Karen and all the tech bits (ie he comes up with all the web stuff himself rather than have it handed to him) then great, job done. But it really shouldn't stick around for the sequel.

There's a double edged sword to this. People said they were tired of seeing the same thing done, so they did something different, and now people are saying it was too different.

I think Karen's use in this movie made sense. It's something Tony would do, but after Peter proved he could handle these situations by himself when he didn't have the suit, I could see it being removed from this point forward.

[Guyver Spawn]

I was confused by the timeline placement in the new Spider-Man movie. If 8 years has pass since The Avengers, does The Avengers take place in 2009 or does Spider-Man now take place in 2020?

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Guyver Spawn

I was confused by the timeline placement in the new Spider-Man movie. If 8 years has pass since The Avengers, does The Avengers take place in 2009 or does Spider-Man now take place in 2020?

Avengers is in 2009. Iron Man is 2008, Iron Man 2, The Incredible Hulk, Thor, and Avengers are all 2009. The weird time jump ends up between Winter Soldier and Civil War as like five years pass between the two movies.

[Annuga]

https://www.outerplaces.com/science-...and-amy-pascal
Sony confused me. A Venom comedy? I don't think that could work, people don't like Eddie Brock because he's funny, but because he's a goddamn savage monster

Also some people talked about Spider Sense and I found this.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/07/...sts-in-the-mcu

[ZeoRangerV]

Apologies in advance for how pretty much all of this is going to be blocks of spoiler text?

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Here's the way I look at it. Do you really need to see his spider sense activate every time? We saw him use it in Civil War, so it's there, they just didn't emphasize it. Now with that said, I do think showing it go off just before the Vulture reveal scene would have helped.

No, I agree that it's not something that especially needs to be visualised everytime because that might look a bit TOO silly. All I wanted was some indication it was there. From Toombes being behind the door when he went to pick up Liz, Shocker getting the drop on him and then the Vulture wings getting the jump on him there were just too many instances in the film where it should have triggered. The bit right at the end after the crash where his ears are ringing and he can barely see would have been the PERFECT point to use it. Now I'm not saying someone shouldn't ever get the drop on him because that's asking for a bit too much, but it'd be nice if there was just something to suggest it was there.

I read Feige supposedly indicated that its something he might grow into in future films in which case great, but it's something I think is just genuinely lacking from Spidey films in general (and if is there it isn't very blatant, honestly the only one I can really remember it from is the first Raimi film). I have the same problem with the later X-Men films never really utilising Wolverine's heightened senses. It's just "claws and healing" half the time.

EDIT: Yes I know its in Civil War, I meant solo Spidey movies

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There's a double edged sword to this. People said they were tired of seeing the same thing done, so they did something different, and now people are saying it was too different.

I think Karen's use in this movie made sense. It's something Tony would do, but after Peter proved he could handle these situations by himself when he didn't have the suit, I could see it being removed from this point forward.

Yeah as I say if this is a one and done thing I can totally go for it. I'd be fine with the AI and web shooters here giving Peter the inspiration to come up with all these things for himself (I REALLY want to see him spin a web parachute, I always loved those scenes in the 90s cartoon). But if they turn around and go "hey Karen worked really well in this movie, let's keep her!" then it doesn't work for me at all. I don't want to see Spider-Man have all his gadgets pre-made for him or have all this spy-tech built into his suit. I want to see him use that intelligence and do it all for himself.

[Annuga]

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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV

Apologies in advance for how pretty much all of this is going to be blocks of spoiler text?



Yeah as I say if this is a one and done thing I can totally go for it. I'd be fine with the AI and web shooters here giving Peter the inspiration to come up with all these things for himself (I REALLY want to see him spin a web parachute, I always loved those scenes in the 90s cartoon). But if they turn around and go "hey Karen worked really well in this movie, let's keep her!" then it doesn't work for me at all. I don't want to see Spider-Man have all his gadgets pre-made for him or have all this spy-tech built into his suit. I want to see him use that intelligence and do it all for himself.

To be fair, Peter's not exactly rich, the reason why this incarnation's old suit was so well received was because it's what someone with a limited income would end up making, I still remember some people calling foul at Reimi's Parker making the suit despite being poor, cosplayers went nuts especially lol. But yeah, as someone who liked Karen and the high tech shit, I won't miss it if it's gone as it's not really Spidey

[ZeoRangerV]

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Originally Posted by Annuga

To be fair, Peter's not exactly rich, the reason why this incarnation's old suit was so well received was because it's what someone with a limited income would end up making, I still remember some people calling foul at Reimi's Parker making the suit despite being poor, cosplayers went nuts especially lol. But yeah, as someone who liked Karen and the high tech shit, I won't miss it if it's gone as it's not really Spidey

Oh I completely agree in that respect. The previous films (especially the Raimi ones) were far too silly with what Peter could feasibly do costume-wise so I have absolutely no qualms with Stark giving him the suit to begin with. I just think they went way too overboard on what it could do.

[Sunred]

Saw Homecoming.

- I love the whole vlog bit in the beginning.

- Loved the easter eggs such as Aaron Davis and his nephew, the Ben Reilly-ish Avengers debut suit, etc.

- My spidey sense tells me that there will be people who will try to re-create the homebrew spidey suit for the cons and halloween this year

- I love how they made Flash a snobby elitist nerd instead of trying to have him be generic and played-out bully jock

- Vulture was just AWESOME, The wings, the whole costume was on point and gave me a newfound interest in the Vulture character

- Michelle was funny whenever she pops up

- Hoped to see Vision do a quick cameo at the Avengers HQ but no big deal


Overall, this definitely is the definitive Spider-Man movie.

[Dr Kain]

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- Loved the easter eggs such as Aaron Davis and his nephew, the Ben Reilly-ish Avengers debut suit, etc.

Don't forget Tinkerer and Scorpion. Oh, and the infamous Ditko lifting scene.