Wizard Episode 10: "National Security Agency Section Zero" Discussion

Den-O · 11-12-2012, 11:51 AM

A pretty decent episode. I also assume the ring Kizaki wants made is the beast ring. Potentially he could become Beast? Probably not though. We always seem to get new characters as the secondaries now

bluesparrow · 11-12-2012, 01:42 PM

Looking at Beast's ring design I'm thinking it's not for him, and it is Hurricane Dragon's stone. The Beast ring is mostly gold with just the green eyes breaking that up - the stone in this episode is far too large. They'd be wasting like 99% of it. And looking back at those recent magazine scans Hurricane Dragon is next up as far as Dragon modes.

I figure Kizaki will get over his antagonism to Wizard, or try and fail to use the ring, and hand it over. It doesn't seem like they know what the stones do until the ring is made, so I don't Kizaki is intentionally trying to get the Hurricane Dragon ring made.

Switchblade · 11-12-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade Raider

-Glad to see them get back to the police plot.

I know, right? This show is really going out of its way to recapture some of the tone of Kuuga and Agito with all the police stuff.

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-Kizaki seems to be this show's Hojo! I love characters like this because they are meant to be hated. How I hope this guy sticks around for awhile. He only needs to become a Rider for one episode and then run away while pissing in his pants and the reincarnation Hojo will be complete.

He even looks similar and has some of the same mannerisms. I wouldn't be surprised if Agito was a personal favorite of someone in the production staff.

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-This episode had very little Shunpei and that's a good thing.

Hells yeah. I still wanted to punch him right in his rubbery face during his one scene, though.

Den-O · 11-12-2012, 02:14 PM

I actually doubt that its hurricane. And the size doesn't matter at all. Remember the Flame Dragon stone that the white wizard had dropped off? That thing was massive compared the ring made from it. I don't think size plays into this. And yeah they may not know what the stones do before they're set but I doubt that they'd be the ones in possession of the of the dragon stones. It appears the white wizard would be the one who has those. I could have it entirely backwards though

ShockerCon · 11-12-2012, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Den-O

A pretty decent episode. I also assume the ring Kizaki wants made is the beast ring. Potentially he could become Beast? Probably not though. We always seem to get new characters as the secondaries now

It seems like they're leading up to Kizaki becoming Beast, especially with that "you are not the only who can protect people" line
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Originally Posted by bluesparrow

Looking at Beast's ring design I'm thinking it's not for him, and it is Hurricane Dragon's stone. The Beast ring is mostly gold with just the green eyes breaking that up - the stone in this episode is far too large. They'd be wasting like 99% of it. And looking back at those recent magazine scans Hurricane Dragon is next up as far as Dragon modes.

Heres a thought: Kizaki may have told Wajima to make just one ring, but it's possible that the magic stone could be used to make all of Beast's initial rings.

bluesparrow · 11-12-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Den-O

And the size doesn't matter at all. Remember the Flame Dragon stone that the white wizard had dropped off? That thing was massive compared the ring made from it. I don't think size plays into this. And yeah they may not know what the stones do before they're set but I doubt that they'd be the ones in possession of the of the dragon stones. It appears the white wizard would be the one who has those. I could have it entirely backwards though

Maybe the NSA were given the stone by the White Wizard? They never said where they got it. Also if the White Wizard is Wiseman it would make sense for him not to be the sole source of the magic stones, since presumably at some point he and Wizard would be at odds. If they're enemies he probably will stop giving Wizard new toys. And where would Wizard get his final form then?

And I do think the size of the stone matters - those Wizard element mode rings have HUGE stones. Yeah the Flame Dragon stone made a ring relatively smaller, but this huge green stone would literally almost entirely be wasted to make the two small gems on Beast's ring. It just doesn't make sense.

I think Beast will show up having been Beast for a while. He's showing up with too many gimmicks/modes already in play. If he were being created in the show's storyline they'd draw those out more imo.

EDIT: BTW I'm totally convinced White Wizard is Wiseman at this point. Him showing up in episode 9 sealed the deal for me. Dramatically, having two mystery characters at the same time doesn't make sense, unless they're the same person. If they reveal that they're two different new people, that's not interesting at all, because that's what they've been suggesting all along. It'd be playing the same trick twice after telling the audience you're going to do it. The only way that gets resolved in an interesting way as two separate characters is if one or both are people from the supporting cast. And the cast is a bit thin for that to happen.

Kagezuno · 11-12-2012, 03:18 PM

Glad they picked up the Section Zero thing again--I'd nearly forgotten about it.

Pretty good episode, even if it was pretty much 80% setup. Gargoyle is a pretty awesome Phantom and it should be awesome to see what happens next week.

Matrixbeast · 11-13-2012, 09:32 PM

It sucks when your main character is the least interesting in the whole room (Guess this is how Kabuto haters must feel, eh?

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I'm actually more interested and invested in Naoki and Kizaki's whole situation...

Barricade64 · 11-13-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Den-O

A pretty decent episode. I also assume the ring Kizaki wants made is the beast ring. Potentially he could become Beast? Probably not though. We always seem to get new characters as the secondaries now

Well we did get Gotou as Birth eventually, so I wouldn't be surprised at Kizaki becoming Beast. I'm not expecting it to be honest.

Blade Raider · 11-13-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kagezuno

Glad they picked up the Section Zero thing again--I'd nearly forgotten about it.

Yeah, a couple more episodes and I would've thought they dropped that plot.

11-12-2012, 11:51 AM	#11
Den-O Admin AKA Zordon Content Director @DenO_TokuNation Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 16,328	A pretty decent episode. I also assume the ring Kizaki wants made is the beast ring. Potentially he could become Beast? Probably not though. We always seem to get new characters as the secondaries now __________________

11-12-2012, 01:42 PM	#12
bluesparrow Blistering Barnacles Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 947	Looking at Beast's ring design I'm thinking it's not for him, and it is Hurricane Dragon's stone. The Beast ring is mostly gold with just the green eyes breaking that up - the stone in this episode is far too large. They'd be wasting like 99% of it. And looking back at those recent magazine scans Hurricane Dragon is next up as far as Dragon modes. I figure Kizaki will get over his antagonism to Wizard, or try and fail to use the ring, and hand it over. It doesn't seem like they know what the stones do until the ring is made, so I don't Kizaki is intentionally trying to get the Hurricane Dragon ring made. Last edited by bluesparrow; 11-12-2012 at 01:44 PM..

11-12-2012, 02:14 PM	#14
Den-O Admin AKA Zordon Content Director @DenO_TokuNation Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 16,328	I actually doubt that its hurricane. And the size doesn't matter at all. Remember the Flame Dragon stone that the white wizard had dropped off? That thing was massive compared the ring made from it. I don't think size plays into this. And yeah they may not know what the stones do before they're set but I doubt that they'd be the ones in possession of the of the dragon stones. It appears the white wizard would be the one who has those. I could have it entirely backwards though __________________

11-12-2012, 02:19 PM	#15
ShockerCon Blader than Brave Join Date: May 2012 Location: Beyond the Sun Posts: 4,983	Quote: Originally Posted by Den-O A pretty decent episode. I also assume the ring Kizaki wants made is the beast ring. Potentially he could become Beast? Probably not though. We always seem to get new characters as the secondaries now It seems like they're leading up to Kizaki becoming Beast, especially with that "you are not the only who can protect people" line . Quote: Originally Posted by bluesparrow Looking at Beast's ring design I'm thinking it's not for him, and it is Hurricane Dragon's stone. The Beast ring is mostly gold with just the green eyes breaking that up - the stone in this episode is far too large. They'd be wasting like 99% of it. And looking back at those recent magazine scans Hurricane Dragon is next up as far as Dragon modes. Heres a thought: Kizaki may have told Wajima to make just one ring, but it's possible that the magic stone could be used to make all of Beast's initial rings. __________________ FC:2809-8995-3782

11-12-2012, 03:00 PM	#16
bluesparrow Blistering Barnacles Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 947	Quote: Originally Posted by Den-O And the size doesn't matter at all. Remember the Flame Dragon stone that the white wizard had dropped off? That thing was massive compared the ring made from it. I don't think size plays into this. And yeah they may not know what the stones do before they're set but I doubt that they'd be the ones in possession of the of the dragon stones. It appears the white wizard would be the one who has those. I could have it entirely backwards though Maybe the NSA were given the stone by the White Wizard? They never said where they got it. Also if the White Wizard is Wiseman it would make sense for him not to be the sole source of the magic stones, since presumably at some point he and Wizard would be at odds. If they're enemies he probably will stop giving Wizard new toys. And where would Wizard get his final form then? And I do think the size of the stone matters - those Wizard element mode rings have HUGE stones. Yeah the Flame Dragon stone made a ring relatively smaller, but this huge green stone would literally almost entirely be wasted to make the two small gems on Beast's ring. It just doesn't make sense. I think Beast will show up having been Beast for a while. He's showing up with too many gimmicks/modes already in play. If he were being created in the show's storyline they'd draw those out more imo. EDIT: BTW I'm totally convinced White Wizard is Wiseman at this point. Him showing up in episode 9 sealed the deal for me. Dramatically, having two mystery characters at the same time doesn't make sense, unless they're the same person. If they reveal that they're two different new people, that's not interesting at all, because that's what they've been suggesting all along. It'd be playing the same trick twice after telling the audience you're going to do it. The only way that gets resolved in an interesting way as two separate characters is if one or both are people from the supporting cast. And the cast is a bit thin for that to happen. Last edited by bluesparrow; 11-12-2012 at 03:14 PM..