Kamen Rider Saber Episode 14- "These Feelings Dwell In The Sword!" Discussion

Enchilada645 · 12-13-2020, 11:36 PM

I honestly really enjoyed all the reusing of old books this episode, with everyone tagging in and out.

Saber Dragon Alangina was a very nice surprise that did not get spoiled by magazine scans or next episode previews. The most we had seen was Saber base form wielding both Rekka and Ikazuchi. So it was really cool to see him bust out a Wonder Combo via Alangina to start things off.

It's also just nice to see even Kento's books being used as finisher boosters. It's something I hope continues, even if we don't get form/arm swapping that we at least keep getting them to use them as finisher augmentations.

Next week also looks really cool since it seems like we're getting an escalation battle via Saber and Calibur, with Dragon Arthur, Crimson Dragon and Dragonic Knight all getting the focus from previews. Oh and also some more shedding light on the past too! Glad to see we seem to be cracking that whole thing open right away.

FreshToku · 12-14-2020, 12:19 AM

Too bad using Alangina in the booster doesn't summon a blank-eyed Espada to fight alongside Saber!

VoidinToku · 12-14-2020, 05:19 AM

They should continued to film the "spinoff". The past two weeks isn't a prequel, but more like an extended alternate cut/deleted scenes that didnt make it to the actual episode like moments with espada, kenzan, and mei. Maybe they'll do it again for bluray .

Omnikaiser · 12-14-2020, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by VoidinToku

They should continued to film the "spinoff". The past two weeks isn't a prequel, but more like an extended alternate cut/deleted scenes that didnt make it to the actual episode like moments with espada, kenzan, and mei. Maybe they'll do it again for bluray .

It sure is. they probably shooted more than a 23min episode can handle due to the lot of character whereabouts and had to cut to fit in.

Now I wonder if the Rintaro part could be focused on all the moments he had alone with Mei until now to develop the relationship (the ep where Dezast surprised them and he tried his luck on the lottery thing, then when Rintaro fought Zooous etc...)

Androzani84 · 12-14-2020, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Omnikaiser

It sure is. they probably shooted more than a 23min episode can handle due to the lot of character whereabouts and had to cut to fit in.

Actually, the Swordsman chronicles have a different writer and director to the episodes.

Fish Sandwich · 12-14-2020, 07:53 PM

Alright, first things first, it's finally happened -- I noticed Gekido flopping around like a wet noodle when Buster is using it. It's utterly hilarious, and I also might never be able to take Buster seriously again. So that'll be weighing on my mind for the next bit.

The actual episode though, oh man did I love this one; easily surpasses last week for me. I might be hugely biased just because it does the thing I want to see with the toys every season. If you're going to have a million forms, it's okay to HAVE a million forms. Reading the thread, it seems I don't need to point this out to anyone, but it'd be completely expected for Touma to just stomp on everything with Dragonic Knight almost exclusively for the next 4~12 episodes. I was at least expecting it to show up in this one.

But instead, the show does this really cool thing that's pulled straight from the sort of chivalrous knight fantasy archetypes Saber is modeled after, which is that all of Espada's fellow swordsmen treat his gear like it's a part of him; precious mementos to be wielded in reprisal against the vile foes who struck down their comrade. The end result is a bunch of really interesting action scenes where the use of the toys synchs up with and enhances the emotional throughline. Dragon Alangina especially was just awesome to see, and since it came directly after Saber got a power up, it gives me hope the show will find an excuse to one day give us the main trio's books getting used together in some suitably epic moment down the line.

The episode pulled off something even I don't think Saber always does too well, which is being as fast as it is without ever feeling too hard to follow. It swims from beat to beat super naturally, and all the form changes are used almost like punctuation, refocusing the narrative at each new turn. King Lion Dai Senki's debut came off as infinitely cooler to me than Dragonic Knight's as a result. It could be because Blades is kinda my favorite Rider in the show at this point; maybe it's because that suit and its transformation jingle turned out to be pretty sweet; maybe it's because Mei's cheerleading that I'm sure looked like pointless filler to some people was a fun way to reinforce her crush on Rintarou... it could be a lotta things! For a lot less screentime than Touma's new form got, it made at least as much of an impact, I thought.

As always: far from some perfect, defining episode of Kamen Rider, but extremely entertaining throughout. Saber is the kinda show where I get done with an episode and just want it to be next week already.

DecoyBlackMage · 12-14-2020, 08:45 PM

So, what is the possibility that the big bads, where originally riders/swordsmen, but wielding the swords eventually takes away your humanity ?

Well, I still wonder if the reveal of the "truth" will actually cause a rider war to happen, or flat out despair.

Maybe they are all inhabitants of a story.

Either way, I think the odds of the sword of logos being the actual bad guys is up there.

Kurona · 12-14-2020, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

Alright, first things first, it's finally happened – I noticed Gekido flopping around like a wet noodle when Buster is using it. It's utterly hilarious, and I also might never be able to take Buster seriously again. So that'll be weighing on my mind for the next bit.

The actual episode though, oh man did I love this one; easily surpasses last week for me. I might be hugely biased just because it does the thing I want to see with the toys every season. If you're going to have a million forms, it's okay to HAVE a million forms. Reading the thread, it seems I don't need to point this out to anyone, but it'd be completely expected for Touma to just stomp on everything with Dragonic Knight almost exclusively for the next 4–12 episodes. I was at least expecting it to show up in this one.

But instead, the show does this really cool thing that's pulled straight from the sort of chivalrous knight fantasy archetypes Saber is modeled after, which is that all of Espada's fellow swordsmen treat his gear like it's a part of him; precious mementos to be wielded in reprisal against the vile foes who struck down their comrade. The end result is a bunch of really interesting action scenes where the use of the toys synchs up with and enhances the emotional throughline. Dragon Alangina especially was just awesome to see, and since it came directly after Saber got a power up, it gives me hope the show will find an excuse to one day give us the main trio's books getting used together in some suitably epic moment down the line.

The episode pulled off something even I don't think Saber always does too well, which is being as fast as it is without ever feeling too hard to follow. It swims from beat to beat super naturally, and all the form changes are used almost like punctuation, refocusing the narrative at each new turn. King Lion Dai Senki's debut came off as infinitely cooler to me than Dragonic Knight's as a result. It could be because Blades is kinda my favorite Rider in the show at this point; maybe it's because that suit and its transformation jingle turned out to be pretty sweet; maybe it's because Mei's cheerleading that I'm sure looked like pointless filler to some people was a fun way to reinforce her crush on Rintarou... it could be a lotta things! For a lot less screentime than Touma's new form got, it made at least as much of an impact, I thought.

As always: far from some perfect, defining episode of Kamen Rider, but extremely entertaining throughout. Saber is the kinda show where I get done with an episode and just want it to be next week already.

It took a bit, but... yeah, I agree with all this! I actually enjoyed this episode quite a bit; it's got this great oomph to it that's been missing in previous episodes for me. Dragon Alangina was GREAT!

FairyKing · 12-15-2020, 05:37 PM

Okay, I loved how this episode used the WRBs. I like when collectables are passed around between riders instead of being used by only one, and I like when they have meaning in the story beyond "new toy with new powers," so treating Kento's books as precious mementos and using them to avenge him is perfect. Buster, Kenzan and Slash swapping books was also pretty neat.

Despite not getting as much focus as I expected, King Lion Daisenki was also very cool. I was prepared for its lion form to just be silly, but the roar Rintaro made before changing really sold it for me, and it was just as epic as, well, as epic as a knight turning into a lion should be! And I just noticed how even though they used CGI for the lion form, the humanoid suit is designed to look like it transforms, like with those claws folded back along the arms. Nice attention to detail there.

Also, I'm struck by just how much of each Saber episode is spent on fight scenes. Remember how in Zero-One, a lot of the plot was just the characters talking or taking action outside of combat, interrupted by the episode's obligatory fight scene? Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but sometimes it got taken to an annoying extent. But with Saber it's the other way around, I feel like they only do non-combat scenes for plot points that couldn't possibly happen in battle, everything else is a fight scene. Zero-One riders calmly discuss their ideals in an office, Saber riders shout them over the clash of swords!

12-14-2020, 07:53 PM	#16
Fish Sandwich The Immortal King Tasty Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Every diner you've ever been to. Posts: 4,020	Alright, first things first, it's finally happened -- I noticed Gekido flopping around like a wet noodle when Buster is using it. It's utterly hilarious, and I also might never be able to take Buster seriously again. So that'll be weighing on my mind for the next bit. The actual episode though, oh man did I love this one; easily surpasses last week for me. I might be hugely biased just because it does the thing I want to see with the toys every season. If you're going to have a million forms, it's okay to HAVE a million forms. Reading the thread, it seems I don't need to point this out to anyone, but it'd be completely expected for Touma to just stomp on everything with Dragonic Knight almost exclusively for the next 4~12 episodes. I was at least expecting it to show up in this one. But instead, the show does this really cool thing that's pulled straight from the sort of chivalrous knight fantasy archetypes Saber is modeled after, which is that all of Espada's fellow swordsmen treat his gear like it's a part of him; precious mementos to be wielded in reprisal against the vile foes who struck down their comrade. The end result is a bunch of really interesting action scenes where the use of the toys synchs up with and enhances the emotional throughline. Dragon Alangina especially was just awesome to see, and since it came directly after Saber got a power up, it gives me hope the show will find an excuse to one day give us the main trio's books getting used together in some suitably epic moment down the line. The episode pulled off something even I don't think Saber always does too well, which is being as fast as it is without ever feeling too hard to follow. It swims from beat to beat super naturally, and all the form changes are used almost like punctuation, refocusing the narrative at each new turn. King Lion Dai Senki's debut came off as infinitely cooler to me than Dragonic Knight's as a result. It could be because Blades is kinda my favorite Rider in the show at this point; maybe it's because that suit and its transformation jingle turned out to be pretty sweet; maybe it's because Mei's cheerleading that I'm sure looked like pointless filler to some people was a fun way to reinforce her crush on Rintarou... it could be a lotta things! For a lot less screentime than Touma's new form got, it made at least as much of an impact, I thought. As always: far from some perfect, defining episode of Kamen Rider, but extremely entertaining throughout. Saber is the kinda show where I get done with an episode and just want it to be next week already. __________________ Last edited by Fish Sandwich; 01-26-2023 at 06:39 PM..

12-14-2020, 08:52 PM	#18
Kurona Showa Girl Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 9,064	Quote: Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich Alright, first things first, it's finally happened – I noticed Gekido flopping around like a wet noodle when Buster is using it. It's utterly hilarious, and I also might never be able to take Buster seriously again. So that'll be weighing on my mind for the next bit. The actual episode though, oh man did I love this one; easily surpasses last week for me. I might be hugely biased just because it does the thing I want to see with the toys every season. If you're going to have a million forms, it's okay to HAVE a million forms. Reading the thread, it seems I don't need to point this out to anyone, but it'd be completely expected for Touma to just stomp on everything with Dragonic Knight almost exclusively for the next 4–12 episodes. I was at least expecting it to show up in this one. But instead, the show does this really cool thing that's pulled straight from the sort of chivalrous knight fantasy archetypes Saber is modeled after, which is that all of Espada's fellow swordsmen treat his gear like it's a part of him; precious mementos to be wielded in reprisal against the vile foes who struck down their comrade. The end result is a bunch of really interesting action scenes where the use of the toys synchs up with and enhances the emotional throughline. Dragon Alangina especially was just awesome to see, and since it came directly after Saber got a power up, it gives me hope the show will find an excuse to one day give us the main trio's books getting used together in some suitably epic moment down the line. The episode pulled off something even I don't think Saber always does too well, which is being as fast as it is without ever feeling too hard to follow. It swims from beat to beat super naturally, and all the form changes are used almost like punctuation, refocusing the narrative at each new turn. King Lion Dai Senki's debut came off as infinitely cooler to me than Dragonic Knight's as a result. It could be because Blades is kinda my favorite Rider in the show at this point; maybe it's because that suit and its transformation jingle turned out to be pretty sweet; maybe it's because Mei's cheerleading that I'm sure looked like pointless filler to some people was a fun way to reinforce her crush on Rintarou... it could be a lotta things! For a lot less screentime than Touma's new form got, it made at least as much of an impact, I thought. As always: far from some perfect, defining episode of Kamen Rider, but extremely entertaining throughout. Saber is the kinda show where I get done with an episode and just want it to be next week already. It took a bit, but... yeah, I agree with all this! I actually enjoyed this episode quite a bit; it's got this great oomph to it that's been missing in previous episodes for me. Dragon Alangina was GREAT! __________________

12-15-2020, 05:37 PM	#19
FairyKing Fangirl-Type Humagear Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 899	Okay, I loved how this episode used the WRBs. I like when collectables are passed around between riders instead of being used by only one, and I like when they have meaning in the story beyond "new toy with new powers," so treating Kento's books as precious mementos and using them to avenge him is perfect. Buster, Kenzan and Slash swapping books was also pretty neat. Despite not getting as much focus as I expected, King Lion Daisenki was also very cool. I was prepared for its lion form to just be silly, but the roar Rintaro made before changing really sold it for me, and it was just as epic as, well, as epic as a knight turning into a lion should be! And I just noticed how even though they used CGI for the lion form, the humanoid suit is designed to look like it transforms, like with those claws folded back along the arms. Nice attention to detail there. Also, I'm struck by just how much of each Saber episode is spent on fight scenes. Remember how in Zero-One, a lot of the plot was just the characters talking or taking action outside of combat, interrupted by the episode's obligatory fight scene? Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but sometimes it got taken to an annoying extent. But with Saber it's the other way around, I feel like they only do non-combat scenes for plot points that couldn't possibly happen in battle, everything else is a fight scene. Zero-One riders calmly discuss their ideals in an office, Saber riders shout them over the clash of swords! __________________ The mask you wear by choice shows more about you than the face you were given by chance.