[ComicGuy89]

It's really amazing how opinions can differ so much! I just don't really get the hate on Beast.

Anyhow, I'm not so emotionally invested in Beast to be willing to defend him just yet. Maybe if his debut on the show is interesting enough, I might like him more.

[RiderSkyward]

I'm in the 'really like beast' camp. Design wise alone he's shaping up to be one if my favourite secondary riders. I just hope he follows how wizard's upgrade embraces the dragon in him more, so that beast will become more chimera like. Could make for a big bruiser type guy, something that's often lacking in Kamen Rider.

[xSkullheartx]

He's based around a Chimera,not a lion.But it still has the lion aspect.The thing that gets me is that is Toei on some kind of lion kick? Does every new rider series have to have a lion in it somewhere?

OOO had LaToraTah and Kazari,Fourze had the Leo Zodiart(Which I have no problem with at all),and now Wizard has beast,which is basically another lion Rider.(Supposed to be Chimera,yet without the capes he's a lion)

[Brainchild]

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Thats what turns you off? Mayo? Not the fact he's a blatent copy of RahToraTah with a Samurai Shogun Belt?

I'm wondering now, would you consider Momotaros a blatant copy of the Albino Joker Undead? Their helmets look strikingly similar if you squint really hard.

[Den-O]

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I'm wondering now, would you consider Momotaros a blatant copy of the Albino Joker Undead? Their helmets look strikingly similar if you squint really hard.

I seem to recall there's an undead that looks alot like W, Beasts Driver is reminiscent of the Shogun Buckle, There's that kaijin from RX that looks exactly like a monster form of Shadow Moon but isn't him at all, Red Hawk and Red Falcon get confused for one another all the time. There's tons of similarities between all kinds of toku, and bound to be more too.

For the record I think Beast looks fantastic and the cape gimmick is awesome.

[Brainchild]

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Originally Posted by Den-O

I seem to recall there's an undead that looks alot like W, Beasts Driver is reminiscent of the Shogun Buckle, There's that kaijin from RX that looks exactly like a monster form of Shadow Moon but isn't him at all, Red Hawk and Red Falcon get confused for one another all the time. There's tons of similarities between all kinds of toku, and bound to be more too.

For the record I think Beast looks fantastic and the cape gimmick is awesome.

That's kinda my point. Hating Beast's design for being a sum of "copies" is kinda ridiculous.

[Sentai]

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I'm wondering now, would you consider Momotaros a blatant copy of the Albino Joker Undead? Their helmets look strikingly similar if you squint really hard.

No. But I'd call Negataros a rip-off of Momo

Yes, there ar eother examples. Of how lazy Toei can be when it comes to design, doesn't forgive it. Just makes it more sad.

[Den-O]

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No. But I'd call Negataros a rip-off of Momo

Yes, there ar eother examples. Of how lazy Toei can be when it comes to design, doesn't forgive it. Just makes it more sad.

It's not lazy to reuse designs or design elements. It's inevitable. It happens.

[Sentai]

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It's not lazy to reuse designs or design elements. It's inevitable. It happens.

Give me this. Just admit them reusing the Shogun Samurai belt for Beast is lazy and unimaginitive. Just admit that much?

[ZeoRangerV]

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Originally Posted by Sentai

Give me this. Just admit them reusing the Shogun Samurai belt for Beast is lazy and unimaginitive. Just admit that much?

They aren't reusing it given they never used it in the first place.