[Switchblade]

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Originally Posted by Brainchild

Speaking of which, I got through Blade 38 today. You guys are totally right, this is getting really interesting. The revelation that Hirose is Trial B totally caught me by surprise. Tachibana had better not be Trial A or something. And I'm genuinely surprised that they managed to keep Mutsuki an evil asshole this far into the show.

Yeah, I've always found that when you hit episode 30, Blade really grabs hold of you and will not let go. It just keep making you want to see more and more.

[Den-O]

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

I would never call Kiva's plot great. Kabuto's is weak, yes, but Kiva's is just as weak, albeit in different ways.

Aren't you also the person who thinks Kiva is the worst of all Heisei riders? I think it's a better show than your giving it credit for.

[RiderSkyward]

Kiva is awesome. It gets a little too melodrama-ry at times yeah, and emperor form is overused. But it has awesome designs, a good cast and good overall story.

Guess I'm saying its not perfect but it is stronger than Kabuto... And Decade and possibly more =p

[Den-O]

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Originally Posted by RiderSkyward

Kiva is awesome. It gets a little too melodrama-ry at times yeah, and emperor form is overused. But it has awesome designs, a good cast and good overall story.

Guess I'm saying its not perfect but it is stronger than Kabuto... And Decade and possibly more =p

I'd say Kiva is easily stronger plot & character wise than Faiz, Kaubto, and Decade. That's not to say I didn't enjoy Kabutp or Decade, I did enjoy them, and I outright hated Faiz. But Kiva is a much stronger series than those 3. Much more memorable.

[Matrixbeast]

A series' memorability is subjective. I found Kabuto to be more memorable than Kiva due to a more interesting cast, a less nondescript protagonist, and a story that doesn't completely 180 the characters' personalities and goals.

[Den-O]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

A series' memorability is subjective. I found Kabuto to be more memorable than Kiva due to a more interesting cast, a less nondescript protagonist, and a story that doesn't completely 180 the characters' personalities and goals.

So Yaguruma and Kageyama don't count as 180's huh?

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Den-O

So Yaguruma and Kageyama don't count as 180's huh?

The difference is they left the series for a brief amount of time.
Wataru went from crying pretty boy to Fangire King Badass Killer over the course of one episode, and Otoya went from lecherous womanizer to wanting to raise a family with the Fangire Queen over the course of an episode.

[Den-O]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

The difference is they left the series for a brief amount of time.
Wataru went from crying pretty boy to Fangire King Badass Killer over the course of one episode, and Otoya went from lecherous womanizer to wanting to raise a family with the Fangire Queen over the course of an episode.

But they evolved that way. Wataru overcoming his shortcomings was a process that took the entire series to resolve. It's only in the closing story arc that he finally comes to grips with who and what he has to become. And Otoya fell in love, with 2 amazing women. He had to become something more than he was when the series began. These changes weren't instant like you say, they took time to occur. Maya's effect on Otoya and the various experiences that Wataru had that led him to depression and travelling to the past, these events were the final push for each of them.

[Switchblade]

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Originally Posted by Den-O

Aren't you also the person who thinks Kiva is the worst of all Heisei riders? I think it's a better show than your giving it credit for.

Kiva the show, no. I think it's near the bottom, but there's at least one worse show: Faiz.

Kiva the character... technically no, if you count secondary Riders. Worst main Heisei Rider? Hell yeah. I'd take Shin over the whiny little emo fucktard that is Wataru.

And no, Kiva is not a better show than I give it credit for. It's a sloppily plotted, hole-filled mess with a lame protagonist, weak secondary Rider, and incredibly blatant and intrusive toy placements.

[RiderSkyward]

Gotta agree with Den-O, those changes had been building for a long time. We saw glimpses every now and then but they just needed that final kick..no pun intended..

I dunno, for me Kiva was just more interesting and engaging with the whole time gap thing. Plenty of enigma to keep me interested you know. Kabuto on the other hand was pretty straight forward.