[Paladin]

3 ultimate villains descend to Earth in search of the most powerful alchemist.

[Frontier]

I have to say I appreciate still getting major Kaijin villains this late in the game instead of evil Riders.

Also hopefully that means upgrades for Valvarad and Majade are on their way.

[Zolda]

Germain says @ 01:39 that The Sisters are dolls that were made by dolls, to Atropos' and Clotho's surprise. Gaelya then adds that it was only something they made for fun that ended as a failure. Does this mean that Glion is also a homunculus, or does it only mean that humans were created by the Unholy Trinity? I think the latter is more likely, because it has been hinted for several episodes and also stated by Germain @ 08:24, but if it means the former, then this reveal is too late. Germain then says that he was the one who ate and absorbed Glion. Well, it seems more and more likely that Glion can be resurrected, similar to how Orteca was resurrected because he wasn't actually killed by Gifu. Glion's resurrection method may have something to do with his favorite golden Rubik's cube, which could be some kind of Horcrux in which he stored a part of his soul like I hypothesized here. The Sisters might be Horcruxes as well. It may even be possible for Glion to absorb Germain and the other 2 uber-demons after they re-amalgamate themselves into the uber-demon's original (ultimate?) form. Yep, it seems like once again a mid-level villain will be revived. Sigh... Why can't the dead stay dead? Why is permanent death avoided? Reviving dead characters will only lower the stakes and narrative weight in a story. It will only take away all the suspense. A story with no stakes/suspense = A boring story.

In the scene @ 05:19, an AU top brass commands the AA members to hand all 101 RCC's to the AU as soon as possible. After that, then what would the AU do to them? There's a possibility that someone in the AU's top hierarchy will misuse the Chemies now that they've consolidated all 101 RCC's, and or conspire with the Unholy Trinity all along. Minato should be very suspicious of the AU's top brasses motive by now. And why don't the AU top brasses send several of their enforcers to proactively collect all 101 RCC's from the AA members? They must ensure the AA members' loyalty, or rebellion may occur. Or perhaps they still need Houtarou/Spanner/Rinne to fight as Riders to also protect the top brasses from the Unholy Trinity? And, if all 101 RCC's are collected by the AU, the what would Houtarou/Spanner/Rinne use to transform into Riders? What's the point of handing all 101 RCC's to the AU's top brasses in the first place, unless the aim is to consolidate powers into the hands of the few which can then be misused by corrupt executive(s)? A new conundrum! Haha.

Atropos leaks an important info to Rinne regarding the Unholy Trinity's plan to ambush Fuga's place, with one condition that Rinne must defeat Germain in order to revive Glion. Does defeating Germain will automatically revive Glion? Or is it just Atropos's wishful thinking? Atropos says @ 15:31 that she would change if Rinne is able to defeat Germain and thus enabling Glion to be revived. Will Atropos keep her promise, or is it just a part of her mind games as usual? In the scene @ 15:47 it's shown that the person Atropos pinky swears to is just Rinne, not someone new, let alone her "mom" like I hypothesized last week. The photo was already shown in the episode 40 guide in Kamen Rider Official website, but because I've virtually lost all interest, I didn't even bother to read it before posting. What a dumb mistake, haha.

Clotho ambushes Fuga at his place @ 06:38. It's the same place at the beginning of episode 1. Soooo, Fuga didn't move to a new place and instead is still staying there, even though the enemies have known its location? Even the real Fuga is there, not hiding at a very distant place. It's a very dumb decision by Fuga. Also, weren't the Gigabaham and Kuroana RCC's in Houtarou's possession by the end of episode 39? It seems like Fuga has the ability to instantly summon those RCC's from wherever, whenever he needs them, haha.

Germain's main ability is creating creatures called Golems out of inorganic matters. He also claims as the founder of alchemy @ 09:38. Aren't alchemy powers come from all members of the Unholy Trinity, not just from him? Aaaaaannnnndddd... @ 10:38 Germain mentions the Philosopher's Stone when Houtarou uses his Rainbow power to block the Unholy Trinity's combined attack toward Spanner and Rinne. My hypothesis regarding the existence of powerful objects like philosopher's stone or elixir several aeons ago waaayyy back in episode 1 thread here is proven correct in this episode, although this reveal is too late and too sudden, without any previous hints.

The story should've expanded on these reveals since early in the story a long time ago, not in the last 20% of the story. Another unmistakable sign of a very late and sudden yet crucial reveal is the fact that the detailed information regarding the Philosopher's Stone is not shown or at least elaborated in this episode by any characters, but in the episode 41 guide in the Kamen Rider Official website here. A good story should be self-contained without outside extra information, so this is the exact opposite of the age old narrative principle of "show, don't tell". In that article it's said that each member of the Unholy Trinity was bestowed with 33% of the powers of the Philosopher's Stone, and 1% of it went to Nijigon. Gigist is plotting to reclaim Nijigon so that his share is increased to 34%, thus enabling him to rule over the other 2 members. So, if Gigist has 33% and Nijigon only has 1%, then how come Gigist was defeated by Nijigon/Rainbow Gotchard in episode 39? Fuga says @ 13:01 that the Nijigon egg came to him and he planted it in the Gotchardriver. Did he know that the Nijigon egg contained 1% of the Philosopher's Stone? Did he have complete information about the properties of the Nijigon egg? And the most crucial question is still unanswered: How could the Alchemist of Dawn (who was very likely a mere human) defeat the Unholy Trinity (Gigist/Germain/Gaelya) (very likely a God) in the first place and scraped 1% of their powers to form the Nijigon egg? It seems like this chicken-or-egg logical anomaly will be left unanswered. I'm 80-90% sure the story will show several other sudden reveals, especially the ones regarding Houtarou's manipulated memories, Houtarou's dad, and the circumstances of his disappearance, and the possibility of the connection between Houtarou, his dad, and the Alchemist of Dawn. Well, apparently, someone from the production team read my comments in this forum and take my criticisms quite seriously, albeit it's already too late to fix the story.

The moral of this episode: When you write a story, you should spread hints gradually in early episodes, not showing it in a very sudden manner like in this episode, or worse, with no hint at all like in (God forbid) Geats. There's an age old narrative principle called Chekhov's gun: If you want a gun to be shot in episode 40, then you should show it (or hint at it) since previous episodes as early as possible. And vice versa, if you show or hint at a gun since early in the story, then that gun must be shot in later episodes. So, if you're the writer of a story, then you should ask yourself the same exact questions you would ask if you're an audience of that story. Find and ask as many of those questions as possible, then answer them, and finally, draw the most logical conclusion. If you find the conclusion unsatisfying, whether because it's strayed from your initial plan/expectation, or because the story is getting out of control, etc, then you should eliminate unnecessary elements and streamline your story. Basically, you should conserve and manage the bandwidth of information in your story as effectively and efficiently as possible. If you overload the bandwidth of information in your story, then your story will become very chaotic, out of control, yet very fragile, like (God forbid) Geats' story. If you leave huge empty bandwidth of information in your story, then your story will become hollow, vapid, and lethargic, like Gotchard's story.

Next week:

It's Nijigon's turn for a solo journey to understand the human world.

And is it Germain's turn to get his ass kicked? Maybe! And it seems like Rainbow Gotchard has no limit on how many Gotcharbrothers it can summon. So, maybe the final fight will feature Rainbow Gotchard, Valvarad, Majade, Wind, and the remaining Chemies as Gotcharbrothers, though those without suits will only appear as Wild Forms. CGI-fest galore on the horizon!

[Enchilada645]

Germain is a lot.

Dude is just a lot in terms of his personality, mannerisms, etc and I kind of love it? The idea of a villain who is like "What I'm doing is the right thing because it's nature because I said so, so just let me push myself onto you" makes a fun kind of crazy.

Also wow, the show continues to endear me to Gigist. To think he was basically the weakest of the three Kings and yet he did so much during the time he was active. Really helps elevate the threat level and makes me feel a bit sorry for him when he has to deal with Germain. Something tells me he'll still take center stage at the end and we'll see Germain and Gaelijah take up the central antagonist role for the next several episodes while he recovers. But who knows, Gotchard's unpredictable like that.

I admittedly don't have much to say this time in terms of characters. But I will say I do enjoy the idea of the show still creating new monsters for us to deal with this late in the game. Like they could have just had them toss Repli-Malgams into the battles but nope, we've got Golems now. Curious to see if we'll get different elemental types or not.

[Frontier]

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

Germain is a lot.

Dude is just a lot in terms of his personality, mannerisms, etc and I kind of love it? The idea of a villain who is like "What I'm doing is the right thing because it's nature because I said so, so just let me push myself onto you" makes a fun kind of crazy.

Also wow, the show continues to endear me to Gigist. To think he was basically the weakest of the three Kings and yet he did so much during the time he was active. Really helps elevate the threat level and makes me feel a bit sorry for him when he has to deal with Germain. Something tells me he'll still take center stage at the end and we'll see Germain and Gaelijah take up the central antagonist role for the next several episodes while he recovers. But who knows, Gotchard's unpredictable like that.

I admittedly don't have much to say this time in terms of characters. But I will say I do enjoy the idea of the show still creating new monsters for us to deal with this late in the game. Like they could have just had them toss Repli-Malgams into the battles but nope, we've got Golems now. Curious to see if we'll get different elemental types or not.

I feel like this show has been great for fans who prefer Riders fighting Kaijin instead of other Riders.

[Enchilada645]

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Originally Posted by Frontier

I feel like this show has been great for fans who prefer Riders fighting Kaijin instead of other Riders.

As someone who hasn't been truly satisfied by Rider Monsters in a while, it's nice to get a fairly large group of monsters that are mostly one-offs, with some creative design choices, different tiers that don't make them bland, and to have them last this late in the game.

I am being so well fed.

[Sh Ranger]

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Originally Posted by Frontier

I have to say I appreciate still getting major Kaijin villains this late in the game instead of evil Riders.

Also hopefully that means upgrades for Valvarad and Majade are on their way.

Yeah, like, it generally makes sense for the Riders in this show to be Riders. The only Rider villain is Dread who appeared second after Gotchard, as the Dark Sisters got inside help from Alchemist Union. Fitting that Dread has teamed up with Gotchard once, with Clotho as the user. The Dark Kings are the source of the Malgams, so it makes sense for them to resemble their creations, in contrast to Riders being something with a human touch. Feels truer to the philosophy than say, Solomon.

With Wind out of action while Fuuga heals his body, maybe he'll help Majade get her Final Form.

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Originally Posted by Zolda

So, if Gigist has 33% and Nijigon only has 1%, then how come Gigist was defeated by Nijigon/Rainbow Gotchard in episode 39?

Rainbow Gotchard had "Gotcha" on his side, the friendship between human and Chemies that Gigist couldn't understand.

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

Germain is a lot.

Dude is just a lot in terms of his personality, mannerisms, etc and I kind of love it? The idea of a villain who is like "What I'm doing is the right thing because it's nature because I said so, so just let me push myself onto you" makes a fun kind of crazy.

I like the scene where Germain hunches over and his chest arms make him look like he's about the pounce. He talks and acts kind of like Dugded from King-Ohger. Curious to see what Gaelijah's personality is like, since she only had like 2 lines so far.

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

Also wow, the show continues to endear me to Gigist. To think he was basically the weakest of the three Kings and yet he did so much during the time he was active. Really helps elevate the threat level and makes me feel a bit sorry for him when he has to deal with Germain. Something tells me he'll still take center stage at the end and we'll see Germain and Gaelijah take up the central antagonist role for the next several episodes while he recovers. But who knows, Gotchard's unpredictable like that.

Intriguing how there's a conflict between Gigist and his fellow kings based on how Germain dismisses his desire to understand humans as useless, much like how the Alchemy Union see Chemies. Gigist really is the Houtarou of this trio, while Germain is the Spanner, zealously attached to his rigid impersonal values in a way that's likely to bite him later. If Gigist is capable of acknowledging his mistakes and learning from them even a little, then perhaps he may find a way back on top of the villains.

[Zolda]

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Rainbow Gotchard had "Gotcha" on his side, the friendship between human and Chemies that Gigist couldn't understand.

Nijigon/Rainbow Gotchard (who only has 1% of the uber-demon's power) being able to defeat Gigist (who has 33% of the uber-demon's power) is said to be due to the aim of the creation of Nijigon egg: To rebuild 100% of the Philosopher's Stone, and thus, absorb all of the uber-demon's power. Which then begs the question: Who created the Nijigon egg? The Alchemist of Dawn? Houtarou's dad? Fuga? Or another unseen character? How could a mere human create something that can siphon off all of God's power? Well, perhaps the answer is: Because the plot needs it, haha.

[LarryGonzales]

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Originally Posted by Zolda

Germain says @ 01:39 that The Sisters are dolls that were made by dolls, to Atropos' and Clotho's surprise. Gaelya then adds that it was only something they made for fun that ended as a failure. Does this mean that Glion is also a homunculus, or does it only mean that humans were created by the Unholy Trinity? I think the latter is more likely, because it has been hinted for several episodes and also stated by Germain @ 08:24, but if it means the former, then this reveal is too late. Germain then says that he was the one who ate and absorbed Glion. Well, it seems more and more likely that Glion can be resurrected, similar to how Orteca was resurrected because he wasn't actually killed by Gifu. Glion's resurrection method may have something to do with his favorite golden Rubik's cube, which could be some kind of Horcrux in which he stored a part of his soul like I hypothesized here. The Sisters might be Horcruxes as well. It may even be possible for Glion to absorb Germain and the other 2 uber-demons after they re-amalgamate themselves into the uber-demon's original (ultimate?) form. Yep, it seems like once again a mid-level villain will be revived. Sigh... Why can't the dead stay dead? Why is permanent death avoided? Reviving dead characters will only lower the stakes and narrative weight in a story. It will only take away all the suspense. A story with no stakes/suspense = A boring story.
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In the scene @ 05:19, an AU top brass commands the AA members to hand all 101 RCC's to the AU as soon as possible. After that, then what would the AU do to them? There's a possibility that someone in the AU's top hierarchy will misuse the Chemies now that they've consolidated all 101 RCC's, and or conspire with the Unholy Trinity all along. Minato should be very suspicious of the AU's top brasses motive by now. And why don't the AU top brasses send several of their enforcers to proactively collect all 101 RCC's from the AA members? They must ensure the AA members' loyalty, or rebellion may occur. Or perhaps they still need Houtarou/Spanner/Rinne to fight as Riders to also protect the top brasses from the Unholy Trinity? And, if all 101 RCC's are collected by the AU, the what would Houtarou/Spanner/Rinne use to transform into Riders? What's the point of handing all 101 RCC's to the AU's top brasses in the first place, unless the aim is to consolidate powers into the hands of the few which can then be misused by corrupt executive(s)? A new conundrum! Haha.

Atropos leaks an important info to Rinne regarding the Unholy Trinity's plan to ambush Fuga's place, with one condition that Rinne must defeat Germain in order to revive Glion. Does defeating Germain will automatically revive Glion? Or is it just Atropos's wishful thinking? Atropos says @ 15:31 that she would change if Rinne is able to defeat Germain and thus enabling Glion to be revived. Will Atropos keep her promise, or is it just a part of her mind games as usual? In the scene @ 15:47 it's shown that the person Atropos pinky swears to is just Rinne, not someone new, let alone her "mom" like I hypothesized last week. The photo was already shown in the episode 40 guide in Kamen Rider Official website, but because I've virtually lost all interest, I didn't even bother to read it before posting. What a dumb mistake, haha.

Clotho ambushes Fuga at his place @ 06:38. It's the same place at the beginning of episode 1. Soooo, Fuga didn't move to a new place and instead is still staying there, even though the enemies have known its location? Even the real Fuga is there, not hiding at a very distant place. It's a very dumb decision by Fuga. Also, weren't the Gigabaham and Kuroana RCC's in Houtarou's possession by the end of episode 39? It seems like Fuga has the ability to instantly summon those RCC's from wherever, whenever he needs them, haha.

Germain's main ability is creating creatures called Golems out of inorganic matters. He also claims as the founder of alchemy @ 09:38. Aren't alchemy powers come from all members of the Unholy Trinity, not just from him? Aaaaaannnnndddd... @ 10:38 Germain mentions the Philosopher's Stone when Houtarou uses his Rainbow power to block the Unholy Trinity's combined attack toward Spanner and Rinne. My hypothesis regarding the existence of powerful objects like philosopher's stone or elixir several aeons ago waaayyy back in episode 1 thread here is proven correct in this episode, although this reveal is too late and too sudden, without any previous hints.

The story should've expanded on these reveals since early in the story a long time ago, not in the last 20% of the story. Another unmistakable sign of a very late and sudden yet crucial reveal is the fact that the detailed information regarding the Philosopher's Stone is not shown or at least elaborated in this episode by any characters, but in the episode 41 guide in the Kamen Rider Official website here. A good story should be self-contained without outside extra information, so this is the exact opposite of the age old narrative principle of "show, don't tell". In that article it's said that each member of the Unholy Trinity was bestowed with 33% of the powers of the Philosopher's Stone, and 1% of it went to Nijigon. Gigist is plotting to reclaim Nijigon so that his share is increased to 34%, thus enabling him to rule over the other 2 members. So, if Gigist has 33% and Nijigon only has 1%, then how come Gigist was defeated by Nijigon/Rainbow Gotchard in episode 39? Fuga says @ 13:01 that the Nijigon egg came to him and he planted it in the Gotchardriver. Did he know that the Nijigon egg contained 1% of the Philosopher's Stone? Did he have complete information about the properties of the Nijigon egg? And the most crucial question is still unanswered: How could the Alchemist of Dawn (who was very likely a mere human) defeat the Unholy Trinity (Gigist/Germain/Gaelya) (very likely a God) in the first place and scraped 1% of their powers to form the Nijigon egg? It seems like this chicken-or-egg logical anomaly will be left unanswered. I'm 80-90% sure the story will show several other sudden reveals, especially the ones regarding Houtarou's manipulated memories, Houtarou's dad, and the circumstances of his disappearance, and the possibility of the connection between Houtarou, his dad, and the Alchemist of Dawn. Well, apparently, someone from the production team read my comments in this forum and take my criticisms quite seriously, albeit it's already too late to fix the story.

The moral of this episode: When you write a story, you should spread hints gradually in early episodes, not showing it in a very sudden manner like in this episode, or worse, with no hint at all like in (God forbid) Geats. There's an age old narrative principle called Chekhov's gun: If you want a gun to be shot in episode 40, then you should show it (or hint at it) since previous episodes as early as possible. And vice versa, if you show or hint at a gun since early in the story, then that gun must be shot in later episodes. So, if you're the writer of a story, then you should ask yourself the same exact questions you would ask if you're an audience of that story. Find and ask as many of those questions as possible, then answer them, and finally, draw the most logical conclusion. If you find the conclusion unsatisfying, whether because it's strayed from your initial plan/expectation, or because the story is getting out of control, etc, then you should eliminate unnecessary elements and streamline your story. Basically, you should conserve and manage the bandwidth of information in your story as effectively and efficiently as possible. If you overload the bandwidth of information in your story, then your story will become very chaotic, out of control, yet very fragile, like (God forbid) Geats' story. If you leave huge empty bandwidth of information in your story, then your story will become hollow, vapid, and lethargic, like Gotchard's story.

Next week:

It's Nijigon's turn for a solo journey to understand the human world.

And is it Germain's turn to get his ass kicked? Maybe! And it seems like Rainbow Gotchard has no limit on how many Gotcharbrothers it can summon. So, maybe the final fight will feature Rainbow Gotchard, Valvarad, Majade, Wind, and the remaining Chemies as Gotcharbrothers, though those without suits will only appear as Wild Forms. CGI-fest galore on the horizon!

I love this episode, I must say.

[DreadBringer]

I thought Gigist lasted for a shorter time than I expected, similar to Geryon before. However, he survived and it turns out that he is the lowest ranked among the other Abyssail Kings, Germain and Gaelijah. Germain is introduced more, expressing his desire to lead humans and Chemies to a particular path. He views dolls, including Geryon, as tasty foods. As a result, Atropos opposes them to get Geryon back, and even Clotho is upset.

Germain's casual and flamboyant personality gives me vibes similar to Evolt. He claims to love humanity and Chemies, but not dolls. However, it seems more like he thinks that both humans and Chemies are inherently destructive and must embrace it by becoming Malgams. This gives me vibes similar to Daguva from Kuuga, who wanted to make humans violent.

Apart from their lonely past, Atropos has something in common with Rinne again, as both long for their father. She informs Rinne that Fuga is in danger. Fuga's real body is shown, injured from episode 1, and he has to send clones to interact, reaching his limit. Of course Rinne's going to use this chance to stop Atropos from her villainy, although it's unknown how this will unfold later.

Supana still thinks that Chemies are only tools for fighting, which caused Nijigon to wander off on his own, depriving Gotchard of the necessary Rainbow Gotchard against the progenitor of alchemy. He would claim that he only saves Lachesis for Kyoka's sake and her research.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Yeah, like, it generally makes sense for the Riders in this show to be Riders. The only Rider villain is Dread who appeared second after Gotchard, as the Dark Sisters got inside help from Alchemist Union. Fitting that Dread has teamed up with Gotchard once, with Clotho as the user. The Dark Kings are the source of the Malgams, so it makes sense for them to resemble their creations, in contrast to Riders being something with a human touch. Feels truer to the philosophy than say, Solomon.

This is the reason why shows like Ryuki got hate when debuted and can still got deemed as only being edgy for the sake of it. Though I'm of course someone who isn't pleased with Isaac (not Sabi's AI companion) becoming a Rider, Solomon as you said here, even though Saber's technically a show that employs many Riders too.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Intriguing how there's a conflict between Gigist and his fellow kings based on how Germain dismisses his desire to understand humans as useless, much like how the Alchemy Union see Chemies. Gigist really is the Houtarou of this trio, while Germain is the Spanner, zealously attached to his rigid impersonal values in a way that's likely to bite him later. If Gigist is capable of acknowledging his mistakes and learning from them even a little, then perhaps he may find a way back on top of the villains.

I feel like the real evil version of Supana is Licht Kugimiya, who had really similar demeanor of dismissing Chemies while looking down on those who oppose his view (like Houtaro), but took it to the point that he escalated his hostility to become an actual villain - Geats Killer (because Ace Killer is Ultraman-owned). Even Supana felt Kugimiya was going too far back then. Guess it's more than just having rigid impersonal values, he's exactly the same in the other aspect too.