[gashatfreak]

I showd my sister Vram's henshin.

My sister: *dissapointed face* "I prefer the chocolate guy's suit."

lol

[Sh Ranger]

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Originally Posted by Zolda

Dang, I've just mentioned 2 instances of Lage 9's previous actions, and @ 05:07 he does the exact same thing at a lecture room containing 17 people listening to a lecturer talking about common frauds targeting elderly people.

How ironic that the elderly get targeted in a seminar about the elderly getting targeted!

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Originally Posted by Zolda

Shouma is telling Hanto @ 14:03 that he's commanded a Gochizou to follow the mysterious woman. Since no one in this story but Shouma is able to communicate with Gochizous, let alone command them, isn't this an indirect yet blatant confession that Shouma is not a human? After many pieces of direct and indirect evidence, and even confession, Hanto still can't connect the dots.

If precisely nobody but Shouma have been shown to have the ability to create and command Gochizous, then there's no reason from Hanto's perspective to suggest that this is inherently a Granute trait rather than a special effect of his altered biology. If he sees Vram doing it, then that's the time to be suspicious.

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Originally Posted by Zolda

And it seems like the Doppudding RG can be used several times, unlike Shouma's RG's.

Caking hasn't died yet!

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Originally Posted by gashatfreak

Also, Hanto is getting noticably more aggresive, especially after he starts suspecting Shouma is hiding something. I wonder if they're doing a Kamen Rider Ryugen situation and slowly building him up to become an antagonistic force later on.

Antagonistic perhaps, but I doubt Hanto would ever go full Ryugen. After all, he's a good guy who believes in justice and the only reason why he acts with prejudice towards Granutes is due to him not knowing any good Granutes. I think if he found out about Shouma, he would quickly change his mind. A good journalist will always listen to all arguments before reaching a conclusion based on logic and intuition.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

If Vram is the show's third Rider, it could be the 1st time a Rider show eliminates a third Rider permanently, as Komura doesn't do redemptions (with Stacy being the exception).

What about Chaser?

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

There?s a concerning setup for both Hanto and Shoma. Hanto begins to doubt Shoma based on his reactions when Hanto wants to infiltrate Stomach Inc. In turn, Shoma questions his own character, feeling selfish for lying to Hanto and concealing his identity from Sachika. It?s unclear whether Shoma has an actual dark side or if he?s simply experiencing self-depreciation similar to Sachika?s feelings in ep. 8, but I feel this is him being selfish as I think a kind person should accept Shoma for who he is.

Looks like Shouma hasn't completely gotten over his flaw of denying himself the right to be happy. He worries that Hanto and Sachika would see him as a monster, since he also sees himself that way. Even though he calls himself selfish, it's more like he's not being selfish enough, as he should want his friends to accept him for his true self.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Vram?s debut is a pretty dope one; he really shakes up the battlefield while fighting Gavv and Valen, causing the ground to crack and launching them into the air. So far, his fighting style relies primarily on raw strength.

It's pretty impressive how Vram dominates the fight while making minimal movements and being bored the whole time. Such a flex against Gavv and Valen who are fighting earnestly.

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Originally Posted by Eclipyon

Hey Zolda, have you ever considered that not everyone has a power bank? I myself don't have one too.

Me neither. I guess we must be unrealistic fictional characters, huh.

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

All this is to say it was a bit surprising to me that in the episode where the third Rider debuts, in a scene where all three Riders are on screen together right away, exactly one of them isn't wearing their main suit. It's not exactly a problem, especially when Valen having that axe is relevant to the fight choreography (and in very cool and fun ways, at that!), but... I mean, I'm honestly not sure how to properly convey why I think this stuff matters to anybody who doesn't already kinda get it. I guess the most important part here is that this is all like whatever the opposite of a backhanded compliment is? I'm "complaining" about Gavv mostly to point out how high a standard I can hold it to. I feel like this show would think it'd be better to have everyone in their base forms at the end because it's the kind of show smart enough to realize a fully Granute Rider's first transformation should probably happen from his monster form to immediately stress what makes him unique.

Not even the worst example though. I recall Build RabbitTank and Cross-Z Dragon didn't stand next to each other until like Episode 30 or something. In Takebe's previous show, Geats MagnumBoost only appeared like once per DGP season, so if there's a decision to have Gavv default to Poppingummy for important scenes, then I believe this must come from somebody else in the staff. Otherwise, the form may actually have a purpose for the action, such as Gavv Kickingummy Assist being used for Valen's springboard tactic here.

[DH21965]

Love the action, acting and storytelling….. but these suits are butt-fugly silly,finally a Kamen Rider for preschoolers

[gashatfreak]

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Originally Posted by DH21965

Love the action, acting and storytelling?.. but these suits are butt-fugly silly,finally a Kamen Rider for preschoolers

Man yells at clouds.

[Kiwami]

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Originally Posted by DH21965

Love the action, acting and storytelling?.. but these suits are butt-fugly silly,finally a Kamen Rider for preschoolers

Skill issue.

[DreadBringer]

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Originally Posted by gashatfreak

Also, Hanto is getting noticably more aggresive, especially after he starts suspecting Shouma is hiding something. I wonder if they're doing a Kamen Rider Ryugen situation and slowly building him up to become an antagonistic force later on.

Go/Mach was also a secondary that has a prejudice to the MOTW race in Roidmudes.

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Originally Posted by Kiwami

And I think that rules, making the new Rider someone evil but with their own goals in mind, because first of all that takes guts to do (“Hey the characters we want to sell toys for children just kidnapped three dozen people to be processed into food”) and second it' a perfect fit for this show.

I don't know what'd happen to Vram later, but seems usually these kind of villains are made to not succeed in their villainy thus even though they do attempt to murder many like Vram, they're stopped by the heroes on time, so their hands are still clean making people view them as a better person should they got redeemed.... It's probably a hot take from me that not being successful in your villainy doesn't make them a better person than those who have caused damage and labeled as irredeemable.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Antagonistic perhaps, but I doubt Hanto would ever go full Ryugen. After all, he's a good guy who believes in justice and the only reason why he acts with prejudice towards Granutes is due to him not knowing any good Granutes. I think if he found out about Shouma, he would quickly change his mind. A good journalist will always listen to all arguments before reaching a conclusion based on logic and intuition.

As we know Ryugen is one of the most depraved person in the KR franchise, being villainous doesn't need to be Ryugen level. If Hanto knowingly and actively wants to target and murder innocents for his self-righteous belief, like Shoma or other good Granutes, then he'd be anti-villainous.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

What about Chaser?

Well you're right, I guess to be specific, about the 3rd Rider being treated just like something like Reiji Nogi or Gigist, just one of the big antagonist bosses to be eliminated, as Chase got redeemed and became one of the heroes, his death being a case of big bad's tragic victim.

[Mesnick]

I can’t help but note that the very slow foreplay before Vram’s henshin would have played a cruel joke on him in other circumstances. It was lucky that Gavv and Valen were too shocked by the belt on the driver appearing out of nowhere to try to attack Lage9 first. He definitely wouldn’t have time to transform in W.
Speaking about Lag9, I think we shouldn’t rush to conclusions. A lazy bully can be just as much a mask as a desperate drug addict earlier.
And, speaking of his possible/impossible redemption (although, I repeat, there were worse riders who got away with it). It seems to me that there is a possible way out in his name. More precisely, in number. What if the Granute`s government/police/other rich family uses clones? Then Lage 9 will die, and Lage-X will become Kamen Rider Vram with the same appearance, but with a slightly different character and without blood on his hands.

[Mesnick]

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

I don't know what'd happen to Vram later, but seems usually these kind of villains are made to not succeed in their villainy thus even though they do attempt to murder many like Vram, they're stopped by the heroes on time, so their hands are still clean making people view them as a better person should they got redeemed.... It's probably a hot take from me that not being successful in your villainy doesn't make them a better person than those who have caused damage and labeled as irredeemable.

Usually in such cases the idea is also voiced or implied that if this villains really wanted to commit the crime, they would have succeeded. Otherwise, they are simply confused and do not understand their goals themselves. And although criminal intent completely implies punishment in reality (according to the legislation of my country - half a line of what is prescribed for the commission, but there are nuances) in the media, and even more so in the fantastic, this is usually missed. Plus, they are usually given the opportunity to save everyone, which kind of justifies the lack of punishment.

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As we know Ryugen is one of the most depraved person in the KR franchise, being villainous doesn't need to be Ryugen level.

The most depraved person in KR francise is Kurenai Otoya.

[Zolda]

I have several new hypotheses:
- Now I kinda understand why Lage 9, a jellyfish Granute, uses the Doppudding RG to transform into KR Vram, not Purujelly RG. The Doppudding RG's and KR Vram Pudding Custom's motifs are based on milk pudding with caramel vla. Caramel is made of sugar, sugar tastes sweet, and guess whose name has the kanji for sweet? Yes, it's Sachika's. So mmmaaayyybbbeee they're a match made in heaven after all? Haha.
- Due to how stupid the characters in this story are, I think that Lage 9 will commit the exact same crime using the exact same modus operandi several more times, likely until episode 19-20 when he's finally appointed to a higher position by Lango.
- Lage 9 could likely be the one who gets the short end of the stick in his deal with Nyelv. His main motive is likely money, like I already elaborated above, but instead of money, his cahoots with Nyelv gives him money and death. He'd likely be killed by Lango, Glotta, Nyelv, or perhaps a new character who is even more powerful than Lango. He'd likely regret his decison to let his greed got the best of him. This could be the perfect opportunity for Sachika to take the mantle of KR Vram, since the Vrastum Gear can likely be used by Granutes and humans.
- What happened to the Darks Snacks that Lage 9 tossed aside in episode 16 @ 09:46? What if it was eaten by stray cats or dogs? Or worse, what if it was eaten by humans? They look so deceptively similar to youkan/bean jelly, so it makes sense if some random, curious kids tried to eat it. I'm really interested to see what would happen to the humans who consume Dark Snacks. Would they be transformed into Granutes? Would it cause the same effects to humans like it does to Granutes? This could be an potential plot point later, when Nyelv secret plan is gradually revealed.
- I still can't understand what's so secret about Nyelv's cahoots with Lage 9. As the CEO, Lango should know about and authorize the development of the Vrastum Gear and the appointment of Lage 9 as the user by Nyelv. If Nyelv pays Lage 9's loyalty with a huge sum of money, then Lango should know as well, unless Nyelv pays Lage 9 with his own money, not Stomach's. I'm smelling Lango is about to do something very very very stupid.
- What happened to Lango's plan to marry Shita and Jeebh off to wealthy and powerful Granutes? It's a good plan to consolidate power within a small circle of people, but Lango himself sabotaged it when his agents kicked them out of Stomach's base camp in the human world in episode 12. Now it's completely falling apart because Shita is dead and Jeebh is going crazy. Oh, and why haven't Lango, Glotta, or Nyelv married themselves off to wealthy and powerful Granutes? They're much more powerful and smarter than Shita and Jeebh, so they should be better candidates to represent the Stomach family in the upper class circles of the Granute society.

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Originally Posted by Eclipyon

Hey Zolda, have you ever considered that not everyone has a power bank? I myself don't have one too.

Yes, I have. Those who don't have power bank are usually casual smartphone users. I'm a casual smartphone user and I do have a power bank but rarely use it, aside from when I'm travelling. On several very rare moments when my smartphone's battery died, I usually just charged it in my car.

Sachika is said to be a social media savvy person, so it'd make sense if she often relies on her smartphone. I have several friends who are social media addicts, and all of them have power banks, at least 1 unit with 3000 mAh capacity. Her position as the owner of the Hapipare also requires her to be ready when random customers need her to do random jobs, so a dead battery would definitely make her lose potential customers and income. In business, lost connection = lost money. A power bank is very cheap these days, so it's a no-brainer for any business owner to have one. The fact that Sachika, a small business owner who owns a jack-of-all-trade shop, doesn't have a power bank is a proof that she has no brain in the first place, like 99% characters in this atrocious story.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

How ironic that the elderly get targeted in a seminar about the elderly getting targeted!

The seminar was about elderly people getting targeted by common scammers, not otherworldly invaders, haha.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

If precisely nobody but Shouma have been shown to have the ability to create and command Gochizous, then there's no reason from Hanto's perspective to suggest that this is inherently a Granute trait rather than a special effect of his altered biology. If he sees Vram doing it, then that's the time to be suspicious.

Shouma's altered biology? Well, Hanto's biology is also altered. Hanto thinks that Shouma is just a modified human like him, a human implanted with a Granute's internal organ. But, the fact is that Hanto's altered biology only enables him to transform into KR Valen and use Gochizous, and no other abilities are granted. The fact that only Shouma is able to talk to and command Gochizous and give free Gochizous to Hanto like he did in episode 10 @ 20:32 and episode 15 @ 02:21 should've warned Hanto that Shouma is more than just a modified human. If both Shouma and Hanto are humans implanted with Granute's internal organs, then how come only Hanto got the short end of the stick? How come only Shouma get so many perks? If Hanto is still a person who has normal, healthy, and well-functioning logic, rationality, and common sense, then Hanto should've already concluded since several episodes ago that Shouma is more than just a modified human. Hanto should've already concluded that he and Shouma are not equal. Even Hajime the kid of the week in episode 1 was able to instantly connect the dots and correctly guess that Shouma is not a human. He was even able to correctly guess (again!) that Shouma's species (Granutes) eat humans.

The ultimate red flag was in episode 14 @ 07:26 when Shouma showed that he could read the ransom message in Granute alphabets written by Shita's and Jeebh's agents. That scene alone showed that it doesn't require Albert Einstein-level of IQ to read between the lines and conclude that Shouma is both a Granute and a human. So, the very very very obvious inequalities between Hanto and Shouma should've provided all the reasons from Hanto's perspective to suggest that Shouma's abilities are inherently nonhuman and Granute traits. See how you've just made the most faulty, erroneous reasoning and checkmated yourself?

Shouma: "i wAnNa ShOw HaNtO tHaT i'M jUsT a HuMaN lIkE eVeRyOnE eLsE. i DoN't WaNt HaNtO tO kNoW tHaT i'M nOt a pUrE hUmAn."
Also Shouma: *casually gives free Gochizous to Hanto
Also Shouma: *talks to Gochizous right in front of Hanto's eyes
Also Shouma: *commands Gochizous right in front of Hanto's eyes
Also Shouma: *shows that he can read Granute texts fluently right in front of Hanto's eyes
Hanto, perhaps between episodes 20-25: "sO, yOu'Re nOt a pUrE hUmAn, sHoUmA!? yOu'Re hAlF-gRaNuTe!!!"
Me: *facepalms
"No shit, Sherlock."

Yep. As always, the most fundamental law in KR Gavv's story applies:
Common sense = 0

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Caking hasn't died yet!

Caking form is Shouma's peak idiocy.

[Mesnick]

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Originally Posted by Zolda

- I still can't understand what's so secret about Nyelv's cahoots with Lage 9. As the CEO, Lango should know about and authorize the development of the Vrastum Gear and the appointment of Lage 9 as the user by Nyelv. If Nyelv pays Lage 9's loyalty with a huge sum of money, then Lango should know as well, unless Nyelv pays Lage 9 with his own money, not Stomach's. I'm smelling Lango is about to do something very very very stupid.

For Lango, Lage9 is a desperate drug addict with an ability that is very useful for the Stomatch business. Transforming into Kamen Rider makes Lage9 much stronger. Where is the guarantee that he won?t decide to take Dark Treats by force again, only this time using Vram?s abilities?