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I also can?t help but note Vram?s new form. Visually there is nothing special about this pink half armor, but the abilities really surprised me. First of all, invisibility is not a power that usually goes to good guys. Secondly: she has limitations, which are shown right during the debut, but at the same time they do not detract from her coolness. So yes, I was impressed by the invisible jelly.
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Shoma continues his efforts to redeem Lakia, starting with them introducing themselves to each other. Lakia's callousness in kidnapping humans stems from his lack of knowledge about them. Coincidentally, Takeshi's situation is somewhat similar to Lakia looking after Comel, which might evoke empathy in him for humans, helping Shoma succeed. It is also unclear how much Lakia cares about other Granutes, especially given his statement that he doesn't care if anyone dies.
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Hanto joins another secondary character who starts out nice but later becomes antagonistic toward the main Rider. Hanto has negative traits, being consumed by hatred and vengeance; this darker side is beginning to surface. However, his actions are currently similar to Geiz pursuing Sougo (otherwise Geiz only fights against bad guys). Hanto's journey could lead him down a villainous path if he begins consistently targeting innocent Granutes, paralleling Lakia's actions against innocent humans, but in reverse.
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In any case, with Hanto, it seems to me that many are running ahead of the locomotive. That is, maybe this is not a dispute that is worth getting involved in, but it seems to me that it is too early to call Valen a merciless Granute killer. Let him do something really bad first.
We must remember that prejudice is caused by confirmation bias and a lack of education. So Shouma keeping Hanto out of the loop has only been enabling prejudice. Hanto merely punching Shouma instead of trying to destroy him shows that his moral compass is at least better than people seem to give him credit for. It's clear that Bitter Gavv's introduction is necessary to escalate their conflict by framing Shouma as an evil Granute, since Hanto would otherwise have come to the right conclusion after some time to think it over. Hanto's surgery has given him a Granute's healing factor, so it makes sense that he has a Granute's strength and resilience as well.
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![]() I think what I found most interesting about this episode, in between all the thrilling raids on enemy bases and live-on-stage showdowns, is how it explores the idea of... perspective is probably the best word I can think of, at the moment? Like, the reason Hanto ends up exploding at the end (not in the literal sense, for once) is really all down to his inability to see the full picture of what's going on. And it's not really through any particular fault of his own. Between the things he's experienced firsthand, the things he's been kept in the dark about, and the things he's been unconscious for, I don't find it unreasonable for him to make the assumptions he does. I think it's a little beautiful, actually, that the very first huge misconception he has here is seeing that photo, and immediately worrying about Shouma, fighting alone against four opponents, not realizing that while he was napping, the guy who put him to sleep decided to start fighting alongside Gavv. Because, like, why *would* Hanto think that? Granutes are the bad guys, and Shouma is not only an ally, but a friend, so he rushes out to help, only to arrive and discover that -- as far as Hanto's current worldview can process -- that friend has betrayed his trust, and maybe has been this whole time. The flipside of all this is then seen with Lakia (which I guess is the romanization I'm going with until further notice!), who has a massive change of heart when he's directly confronted with the damage left in the wake of the show's villains -- damage he's contributed to -- and finds himself unable to avoid seeing himself in the all-too familiar pain felt by the victims. I think that's a lot beautiful. How Lakia actively tries to brush off humans like this world is less important than his own, only to instinctively feel the same sort of empathy Shouma does, and start turning that into the same sort of desire, not to merely avenge his own loss, but to prevent others from ever having to suffer that same sorrow. Kamen Rider Vram starts to become a hero because he simply can't force himself to be a villain after facing perspectives outside his own. It's a rather striking rebuttal of Hanto's preconceptions, and a scene I'm most likely going to be thinking about any time I'm thinking of what Gavv is *about*, in that broad sense of the word. Again, it's a little tricky to put my finger on it with any real precision right now, but I think all of this is speaking to very central themes for the whole series. It's a show about these Riders who have spent so much time alone, gradually forming connections and learning to share themselves with others, and standing against antagonists who refuse to look beyond their own selfish goals, so, so like... I guess what I can say in this instant is that, despite the ending of this one promising some bitter developments in the immediate future, it's probably good for Shouma in the long run that the secrets he's been keeping are out in the open as early as they are. It might not be easy for any of these characters to deal with the emotions this is all going to kick up, but it seems abundantly clear this far in that Gavv is a show where the effort of getting to know and accept people for who they are ultimately leads to happiness more often than not.
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Oh yeah it definitely fits his character, this isn't anything leftfield. I just don't like it because I want him to be better, and because I know Shoma didn't keep his secret to hurt him.
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Lakia must've sealed his heart deep down after suffering the death of his last living family, until seeing Mitarai desperately looking for his son awakened it once more. Now he realizes that Granutes and humans are the same and he can't allow Stomach to hurt anybody else. Shouma gave him the courage to do the right thing.
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Despite starting hostile towards Sougo, Geiz was fortunately capable of critical thinking, as shown when he became the voice of reason after Tsukuyomi went full anti-Sougo mode, with Geiz pointing out how Sougo used his powers for good. I would presume that Hanto is the same, as there are lots of scenes with him thinking by himself about the subtext in Shouma's lines. Maybe this is another reason why Nyelve wanted Shioya out of the picture, since Shioya would be the first person to encourage Hanto to look from other angles and prevent conflicts of misunderstanding.
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We must remember that prejudice is caused by confirmation bias and a lack of education. So Shouma keeping Hanto out of the loop has only been enabling prejudice. Hanto merely punching Shouma instead of trying to destroy him shows that his moral compass is at least better than people seem to give him credit for. It's clear that Bitter Gavv's introduction is necessary to escalate their conflict by framing Shouma as an evil Granute, since Hanto would otherwise have come to the right conclusion after some time to think it over.
Then again, you think highly of Faiz. Though, people likely wouldn't criticize Gavv for this unlike it, but ironically they may not realize this show is also another one that shoehorns conflict by contrived scenarios made to get Hanto assume the worst about Shoma, not to mention Bitter Gavv just to escalate the Rider infighting that those who feel the franchise strayed from its roots would hate.
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I’m thoroughly impressed by the writing in this series. Very well executed work
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Several additional points and elaboration:
- The Bitter Shouma(?)/Dark Shouma(?)/Clone Shouma(?) could act in a childish, immature behavior due to being a clone with artificially accelerated growth. - Alhough I hypothesized in my first post above that KR Bitter Gavv could be Bitter Shouma(?)/Dark Shouma(?)/Clone Shouma(?), there's also the possibility that he could be the real Shouma himself. Shouma could have a split personality caused by Bouche's abusive treatment toward him and his mom and has secretly made him *wait for it* bitter and resentful toward Bouche and the rest of the Stomach family except Dente. A negative behavior on an adult that's caused by abusive, traumatic childhood, especially between age 0 to 5 is a common phenomena in psychology. - Or perhaps Shouma would be possessed by an unknown dark entity that's been lurking inside him for quite some time. This dark entity could be the one who triggered his kid self's transformation into the elusive feral Wolf Granute who kidnapped Hanto's mom 18 years ago. This dark entity could have a virus-like power to spread to other Granutes and corrupt their Gavvs. Or perhaps Shouma would somehow eat a piece of Dark Snack and his Henshin Belt Gavv would be corrupted by it. - Why was Kid Shouma allowed to freely roam inside the Dark Snack factory? Why was he allowed to get near the kidnapped humans such as Hanto's mom? Why was Hanto's mom even allowed to freely roam inside the factory in the first place? If she was a prisoner or a trafficked human like the other kidnapped humans, then why wasn't she put inside a cell with them? Why wasn't the factory kept sterile out of external interferences like Kid Shouma who posed the risk of messing with the Dark Snack production line, and even leaking the internal secrets of Stomach's illegal drug factory? - Why does Glotta call KR Vram a Granute hunter? He's never killed any of Stomach's part-timers. Heck, he even acted as a bodyguard for the (bird?) Granute of the week in episodes 17-18 when she was confronted by Shouma/KR Gavv and Hanto/KR Valen. So why, Glotta? Why? Are you behind with the news that badly, Glotta? ![]() - There's a fatal, plot-breaking logical anomaly regarding Lage 9 that I've just noticed. How could've Lage 9 known that his convenient power was effective on humans in the first place? He had never even visited the human world nor had he encountered a living, breathing human prior to episode 15 (his debut at the court room), so how the heck did he know that his power was able to easily maximize humans' level of happiness in an instant which in turn transformed them into premium-quality Hito Presses? ![]() ![]() ![]() Quote:
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KR Gavv's story has demonstrated a gazillion of instances of violation of logic, rationality, and common sense, so what's the harm in being scientifically inaccurate for artistic purpose? A minor scientific inaccuracy for artistic purpose is a much much much better excuse than writing a super duper hyper mega ultra convoluted story that violates all laws of logic, rationality, and common sense. After all, this is toku, so scientific inaccuracy for artistic purpose is a very very very common trope. What's atrocious in KR Gavv is not the scientific inaccuracy, but the pathetically, laughably, indefensibly lazy, sloppy, and atrocious writing. |
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