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KAMEN RIDER OOO EPISODE 32 - “A NEW GREEED, THE VOID, AND THE UNSTOPPABLE COMBO”
![]() In retrospect, the whole Sakata/Suzuka plot was a real I Told You That Story So I Could Tell You This Story sort of situation. Suzuka never shows up again after her single appearance last episode, there are no more Ankh Yummies after the one that got detonated at the end of 31, and Sakata’s only around for a single scene with Eiji and the gang. It’s Sakata being like Welp Guess Helping People Is Bad, which prompts Eiji to talk more about his own experiences with trying to solve things with money, and how it can have horrifyingly unintended consequences. That’s the extent of the Sakata story’s use: giving Eiji a reason to talk about money being the wrong way to help people. (It’s… I feel like I’m sort of diminishing what Eiji’s saying, or even potentially misconstruing it. It’s just a very weird way to apply Eiji’s intended lesson of trying to do good for the people in front of you, rather than trying to do massive societal good that you can’t control – basically a lot of the same friction Eiji used to have with Gotou – because that’s kind of already what Sakata was doing? He wasn’t randomly dispensing money to the world or throwing it from the atmosphere like a Yummy, he was just giving a bit of cash to a family who lost a major provider. He kind of was doing exactly what Eiji was saying, in reaching out to a single family that he knew needed help. The idea of anonymous money being worse than going to them and seeing if they needed help with, like, their laundry or whatever… it’s weird. It’s weird that this family got money in the mail and it made some woman go into debt and quit her job! I don’t think Sakata was misguided! This is like buying someone a sandwich and then they used it to burn down an orphanage – I think you were still okay to buy them a sandwich!) But now that we’ve got Eiji’s tragic backstory of accidentally funding a civil war – who among us, etc etc – we can also get Eiji’s tragic backstory of having his failure and guilt turned into political capital by his dad and touted as heroism. It’s the sort of thing that could definitely sour you on not just money and privilege, but also wanting anything more than what you can grab with your own hands. Eiji’s lack of desire isn’t nihilism exactly, nor is it guilt, but it’s some weirder amalgam of the two that creates a drive outside of wanting something for yourself and into wanting to reduce the world down to a manageable psychological radius – a new kind of anti-desire. Which is why half of the Purple Medals chose him, as explained in the THIRD consecutive exposition scene. (No wonder Suzuka didn’t get to show up again, she probably couldn’t explain anything new about either Eiji’s history or mechanics of hidden Core Medals!) Eiji’s ability to control OOO combos is based on the same thing that attracted the Purple Medals: he’s a hollowed out being, and they needed somewhere to live. The idea of Eiji’s ambivalence toward his own life and reluctance to prioritize himself in any situation becoming an apocalyptic scenario that the entire cast has to confront and contain? Very cool. (It’s so bad and such a threat that even Ankh expresses some brief, minor concern over Eiji. This is some endgame shit!!!) It’s sort of exactly the right metaphor in an episode all about reducing your actions to what’s right in front of you; the apocalypse as a friend who needs looking out for. When you can save the world by letting the guy who never puts himself first know that someone is putting him first, you are on the right track with your season-long plot. I thought this episode was a huge step up over 31, but it could only really be. The Sakata Yummy stuff probably could’ve been jettisoned from that episode and replaced with a different way into Eiji’s story without really missing anything. (I mean, maybe you need the Purple Yummies to be in both episodes instead? So there’s a monster fight?) But when the show finally divests itself of a plot that was mostly taking up space -slash- being really weird (I don’t get why the mom quit her job!!!), it nicely centers Eiji’s sacrificial heroism as probably the most dangerous threat this show has ever faced. Not bad! ![]() |
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KAMEN RIDER OOO EPISODE 32 - “A NEW GREEED, THE VOID, AND THE UNSTOPPABLE COMBO”
(It’s… I feel like I’m sort of diminishing what Eiji’s saying, or even potentially misconstruing it. It’s just a very weird way to apply Eiji’s intended lesson of trying to do good for the people in front of you, rather than trying to do massive societal good that you can’t control – basically a lot of the same friction Eiji used to have with Gotou – because that’s kind of already what Sakata was doing? He wasn’t randomly dispensing money to the world or throwing it from the atmosphere like a Yummy, he was just giving a bit of cash to a family who lost a major provider. He kind of was doing exactly what Eiji was saying, in reaching out to a single family that he knew needed help. The idea of anonymous money being worse than going to them and seeing if they needed help with, like, their laundry or whatever… it’s weird. It’s weird that this family got money in the mail and it made some woman go into debt and quit her job! I don’t think Sakata was misguided! This is like buying someone a sandwich and then they used it to burn down an orphanage – I think you were still okay to buy them a sandwich!) Quote:
Which is why half of the Purple Medals chose him, as explained in the THIRD consecutive exposition scene. (No wonder Suzuka didn’t get to show up again, she probably couldn’t explain anything new about either Eiji’s history or mechanics of hidden Core Medals!) Eiji’s ability to control OOO combos is based on the same thing that attracted the Purple Medals: he’s a hollowed out being, and they needed somewhere to live. The idea of Eiji’s ambivalence toward his own life and reluctance to prioritize himself in any situation becoming an apocalyptic scenario that the entire cast has to confront and contain? Very cool. (It’s so bad and such a threat that even Ankh expresses some brief, minor concern over Eiji. This is some endgame shit!!!) It’s sort of exactly the right metaphor in an episode all about reducing your actions to what’s right in front of you; the apocalypse as a friend who needs looking out for. When you can save the world by letting the guy who never puts himself first know that someone is putting him first, you are on the right track with your season-long plot.
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So I mentioned the time before last that I’d have more to talk about Dr. Maki’s story here, and I do. We learn here that like him, Eiji was also thrown to the wolves by their relatives - Maki’s sister planned to abandon him to fend for himself, while Eiji’s father and siblings basically used his failed humanitarian work to get political brownie points - and that left them dead to desire, even if they express it differently. And I’m not sure whether it’s mentioned in the episode, but the novel states that Eiji’s donations for what was supposedly a charity to fix the village’s problems were actually going to the group that destroyed it. (Though I know for sure the novel revealed the dead girl’s name was Lou) It stands out because they don’t really resolve Eiji’s psychological issues here, like more standard final form episodes would do for at least one character (Fourze did it for Ryusei, Saber did it for Kento and Gotchard did it for Nijigon, to give examples where the main Rider isn’t the one going through development), which is… interesting to say the least.
And although he was only in the movie, I can finally reveal the etymology behind Gil now that we see the Dino Yummies disintegrate the object used to create them, along with any associated desires. Giru means “destroy”. And all I’ll say on PuToTyra and the needless debates it spawned is that I remember this comment from someone unfamiliar with the series who was told about the debate: “If (PuToTyra)’s the final form, they should’ve kept going”. |
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#274 |
Kamen Ride Or Die
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It did get mentioned here in passing by Eiji when he's talking to Sakata, yeah. "I tried to give a bunch of money to a poor country, and it ended up in the hands of the bad guys..." It's the first thing he says in his story, which makes everyone go "A Bunch Of Money?!" |
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#275 |
Standing By
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Can there be any cases when a token evil teammate/ally who'd spend prolonged time with the good guy cast is legitimately not attached at all to them and that their hostility stays throughout their truce, than they really only work together for mutual benefit and not for any form of attachments to each other?
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You do seem to be the few one who'd celebrate deaths, like if it's glorious or such (though not for self-destructive tendencies for main Riders that, I guess, this one, most of the fanbase will celebrate), for this, do you think that one should let a person commit suicide due to being unable to find solutions for their suffering (as far as they know, before others give them a clue) for example?
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It might have taken the franchise another decade, but I think there's a contender for Best In-Season Episode Where The Characters Make A "Kamen Rider" Movie.
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I could spend an hour talking about this, which is longer than Yonemura spent thinking about it, but: Rider 1 and Rider 2 seriously spent F O R T Y Y E A R S subjugating humanity in the name of Shocker as a long con?! Just so they could, what, eventually impress a plaza full of civilians when people's residual alternate-reality memories of Kamen Riders as good guys magically reincarnated a couple dozen Riders who never existed in this reality? This does not seem like either a great plan or a fair trade-off!
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KAMEN RIDER OOO EPISODE 30 - ?THE KING, A PANDA, AND BURNING MEMORIES?
And it?s for sure heading somewhere, as this episode?s concluding shot has the trio of Kazari, Ankh Lost, and the now officially evil Dr. Maki heading off with an army of Candroids and one Hieronymus Bosch-esque Greeed painting to go enact some villainy. Great way to establish a new status quo! Quote:
Finally, I have just recently polished off nearly all of the relevant OOO content, and I must say it was great! Excited to share my thoughts in the future episodes. Die, will you be covering the OOO 10th anniversary movie? I must say, I have some opinions about it, and I doubt I'm alone in that regard.
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I actually found it hilarious that it kind of didn't work? Uva's been farming Cell Medals for weeks, declares that their collective power is the same as Core Medals, and then immediately gets walloped by Tajador. The only reason he survived was that Team OOO got distracted by a Deus Ex Medals!
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Was it even a debate at this point in the show though? As I understand, the argument for Tajadol over Putotyra was spawned by something that occurs in the finale, which is more familiar these days due to ALMIGHTY Saber and Gotchard SteamHopper Ultima. Putotyra's debut here actually seems pretty expected for a Final Form.
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#276 |
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How dare you! The Igarashis killed themselves making that movie!
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Other than Latorartar, Putotyra is my favorite Combo for sure! I love the use of dinosaur motifs, the purple on white and the ice element! While it comes at the cost of compatibility with other Medals, I think this results in a suit that looks awesome and complete on its own.
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#277 |
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KAMEN RIDER OOO EPISODE 33 - “FRIENDSHIP, RAMPAGE, AND THE BELT LEFT BEHIND”
![]() After a story that hinged on how difficult it is to support Eiji, when all he ever wants to do is support other people, here’s that story again, but with "(derogatory)" at the end this time. Kitamura! What an insanely, compellingly weird dude he is. An underclassman of Eiji’s from high school who convinced himself that Eiji was his best friend in the world, a guy that only Kitamura understood, while Eiji’s like I Think We Maybe Went To School Together. It’s a completely lopsided… I mean, I wasn’t even going to say “friendship”, I was going to say “relationship”, but even that feels like it flatters Kitamura too much. Eiji genuinely doesn’t remember anything this guy is talking about, to a level that would make even the rampant amnesia sufferers of Revice be like No Wait This Rings A Bell. Kitamura’s a hero worshipping weirdo, and clearly the villain of this piece. The thing that makes it sort of perfect, though, is that he’s also saying all of the Frank Grimes-esque stuff about the cast that anyone not steeped in the heroic sacrifice endemic to tokusatsu would say: Ankh is absolutely bad news; Eiji’s friends are dangerous to him; Eiji is squandering his potential by hiding from his desires; it’s weird that Date just assumed that any random bag of groceries should contain the correct ingredients to make oden. (Okay, Kitamura didn’t say that one out loud, but you could tell he was thinking it.) Kitamura is a pushy, sociopathic creep who clearly thinks that he and Eiji are the only real people in the world, but he does want Eiji to be happy and safe. The things he’s doing are in service of what he views as friendship. It’s just, y’know, not friendship. Kitamura isn’t asking Eiji what he wants, he’s dictating what Eiji needs. Friendship isn’t saying you know what will make someone happy and refusing to be swayed, it’s reaching out to someone and letting them tell you how you can help them. Ankh’s a manipulative jerk who is furious that Eiji’s possession by heretofore unknown Core Medals isn’t immediately benefitting him and only him right this second, but he’s also someone who understands that the Purple Medals 100% cannot stay inside Eiji indefinitely. Viewing Ankh as the thing standing in the way of Eiji’s happiness misses that friendship isn’t about forcing someone to live the way you want them to, even when it’d make them safer – even Ankh waits until a fight to trick Eiji into popping out the Purple Medals. Having a ridiculous-yet-normal creep like Kitamura front and center – kidnapping Hina for a minute and trapping Ankh in a net and inviting Team OOO to play around in an unstaffed amusement park that probably violates any number of safety regulations – fits a story where a Bird Yummy somehow feels like the least weird thing in it. It’s an episode that feels unnerved from the start, with kinetic camerawork and unique dolly shots (not Maki; like, a camera on a track) giving even a semi-standard pre-credit Yummy fight a frisson of tension: That parallel shot as OOO and Birth attack the Dino Yummy! The profile shot as Kitamura walks Ankh over the net trap! Even as the show is grounding the story in a pre-OOO relationship from Eiji’s past, it’s letting the scenery and the cinematography elevate everything into the heated realms of melodrama. I thought this one was excellent. Any story that transports all of Team OOO (sorry Chiyoko) to a new location, picks them off one by one, and has Eiji try to negotiate not just a series of off-season obstacle courses but also a parasocial relationship with a guy who’s just saying what we’re all thinking is going to be a winner. Marrying all of that to stellar direction and growing tension in the show’s core/Core partnership is what clinches it. ![]() |
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#278 |
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KAMEN RIDER OOO EPISODE 33 - “FRIENDSHIP, RAMPAGE, AND THE BELT LEFT BEHIND”
The thing that makes it sort of perfect, though, is that he’s also saying all of the Frank Grimes-esque stuff about the cast that anyone not steeped in the heroic sacrifice endemic to tokusatsu would say: Ankh is absolutely bad news; Eiji’s friends are dangerous to him; Eiji is squandering his potential by hiding from his desires; it’s weird that Date just assumed that any random bag of groceries should contain the correct ingredients to make oden. (Okay, Kitamura didn’t say that one out loud, but you could tell he was thinking it.) Kitamura is a pushy, sociopathic creep who clearly thinks that he and Eiji are the only real people in the world, but he does want Eiji to be happy and safe. The things he’s doing are in service of what he views as friendship. Quote:
It’s just, y’know, not friendship. Kitamura isn’t asking Eiji what he wants, he’s dictating what Eiji needs. Friendship isn’t saying you know what will make someone happy and refusing to be swayed, it’s reaching out to someone and letting them tell you how you can help them. Ankh’s a manipulative jerk who is furious that Eiji’s possession by heretofore unknown Core Medals isn’t immediately benefitting him and only him right this second, but he’s also someone who understands that the Purple Medals 100% cannot stay inside Eiji indefinitely. Viewing Ankh as the thing standing in the way of Eiji’s happiness misses that friendship isn’t about forcing someone to live the way you want them to, even when it’d make them safer – even Ankh waits until a fight to trick Eiji into popping out the Purple Medals.
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Having a ridiculous-yet-normal creep like Kitamura front and center – kidnapping Hina for a minute and trapping Ankh in a net and inviting Team OOO to play around in an unstaffed amusement park that probably violates any number of safety regulations – fits a story where a Bird Yummy somehow feels like the least weird thing in it. It’s an episode that feels unnerved from the start, with kinetic camerawork and unique dolly shots (not Maki; like, a camera on a track) giving even a semi-standard pre-credit Yummy fight a frisson of tension: That parallel shot as OOO and Birth attack the Dino Yummy! The profile shot as Kitamura walks Ankh over the net trap! Even as the show is grounding the story in a pre-OOO relationship from Eiji’s past, it’s letting the scenery and the cinematography elevate everything into the heated realms of melodrama.
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Other than Latorartar, Putotyra is my favorite Combo for sure! I love the use of dinosaur motifs, the purple on white and the ice element! While it comes at the cost of compatibility with other Medals, I think this results in a suit that looks awesome and complete on its own.
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#279 |
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I mean, Kitamura does know that Eiji would go looking for Hina -- it's part of his plan! Helping Eiji look for Hina not only gives Kitamura time to poison Eiji against his friends, it lets Kitamura look like a hero by helping Eiji "find" Hina. Kitamura's thought this through! The only problem would be if something ludicrous happened, like multiple desire monsters attacking Team OOO at the same time as Kitamura is springing his trap, but, again: ludicrous.
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Echoing Oni
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For some reason, the abandoned park setting is one of my most concrete memories from this phase of OOO.
I definitely also remember that this was the episode where it really hit me that we're just going to be keeping Date around for pretty much the foreseeable future. For context: back when the show was airing we kept getting rumors every few weeks that Date was going to be killed off and Gotou would become Birth. Date may or may not then come back like the dude in Movie Wars Core. But then another month would go by and Date was still here. I don't have any behind-the-scenes insight, but from some of the cast photos (I'll talk about the bunny hate eventually) we got it just seemed like Hiroaki Iwanaga was a really fun guy to hang out with so the show just kept him around a lot longer than initially planned. This episode, though, with the scene where Gotou refuses to put on the Birth belt, is where it really felt like the show was fully committing to Date. |
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