[Suzu]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I dun even care. I haven't watched Hibiki. I've never been interested in Hibiki. And I don't think I'll ever make the time to see it. I'm just relaying the popular, though apparently false, rumor about it.
I'm not always right

If you don't care anyway, why even bother to spread false rumors?

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Suzu

If you don't care anyway, why even bother to spread false rumors?

Because I was unaware.

[MaskedRiderAsakura]

For some reason, there's this one part of the Gaim x Drive movie that really confused me. Takatora uses Duke's Genesis Driver to transform into Zangetsu-Shin, and not Duke Melon-Energy. At first it sounded like a plothole, but then I got to thinking:


What if, in the case of the Energy Lockseeds, the undersuits are actually tied to the lockseed and not the Driver itself? The regular lockseeds appear to be more 'natural' while the Energy Lockseeds, IIRC, were artificially created (hence the whole soda vs juice thing). There's one other type of artificial lockseed that shows up in the series, which is the Yomotsu Heguri lockseed, which has the ability to overwrite the undersuit data in Mitsuzane's belt (even if it is just a red repaint with slight retooling).

This would explain why Kaito still transforms into Baron Lemon-Energy rather than Duke Lemon-Energy with what we can assume is Ryoma's Genesis Driver. It would also explain why Takatora transforms into Zangetsu Shin instead of Duke with his original Melon-Energy lockseed.

[Kn1ghtW0lf87]

I always figured that the Ride Wear was tied to the Rider not the belt but that makes sense too

[KamenRiderOOO]

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Originally Posted by MaskedRiderAsakura

For some reason, there's this one part of the Gaim x Drive movie that really confused me. Takatora uses Duke's Genesis Driver to transform into Zangetsu-Shin, and not Duke Melon-Energy. At first it sounded like a plothole, but then I got to thinking:


What if, in the case of the Energy Lockseeds, the undersuits are actually tied to the lockseed and not the Driver itself? The regular lockseeds appear to be more 'natural' while the Energy Lockseeds, IIRC, were artificially created (hence the whole soda vs juice thing). There's one other type of artificial lockseed that shows up in the series, which is the Yomotsu Heguri lockseed, which has the ability to overwrite the undersuit data in Mitsuzane's belt (even if it is just a red repaint with slight retooling).

This would explain why Kaito still transforms into Baron Lemon-Energy rather than Duke Lemon-Energy with what we can assume is Ryoma's Genesis Driver. It would also explain why Takatora transforms into Zangetsu Shin instead of Duke with his original Melon-Energy lockseed.

Someone actually had that theory a couple days ago on Tumblr. It makes perfect sense.

[Sunred]

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Originally Posted by MaskedRiderAsakura

For some reason, there's this one part of the Gaim x Drive movie that really confused me. Takatora uses Duke's Genesis Driver to transform into Zangetsu-Shin, and not Duke Melon-Energy. At first it sounded like a plothole, but then I got to thinking:


What if, in the case of the Energy Lockseeds, the undersuits are actually tied to the lockseed and not the Driver itself? The regular lockseeds appear to be more 'natural' while the Energy Lockseeds, IIRC, were artificially created (hence the whole soda vs juice thing). There's one other type of artificial lockseed that shows up in the series, which is the Yomotsu Heguri lockseed, which has the ability to overwrite the undersuit data in Mitsuzane's belt (even if it is just a red repaint with slight retooling).

This would explain why Kaito still transforms into Baron Lemon-Energy rather than Duke Lemon-Energy with what we can assume is Ryoma's Genesis Driver. It would also explain why Takatora transforms into Zangetsu Shin instead of Duke with his original Melon-Energy lockseed.

Also there is no faceplate on the genesis driver.
The faceplate pretty much signifies that it is bonded to the vanilla user.
Maybe somewhere along the way Ryoma must have decided to remove this feature since there is the possibility of losing or getting the belt destroyed, which can result in a huge setback for example if you are outnumbered or are ambushed by enemies, etc.

[MaskedRiderAsakura]

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Originally Posted by Sunred

Also there is no faceplate on the genesis driver.
The faceplate pretty much signifies that it is bonded to the vanilla user.
Maybe somewhere along the way Ryoma must have decided to remove this feature since there is the possibility of losing or getting the belt destroyed, which can result in a huge setback for example if you are outnumbered or are ambushed by enemies, etc.

I'd argue that the only reason the Prototype Sengoku drivers even had that feature in the first place is because the Armored Riders were essentially test subjects and you can't really make accurate observations if your test subject is constantly a different person.

Since they were giving these belts out to the dance teams, you'd imagine the belt would get tossed around from member to member a lot, so they felt the need to user-lock it to prevent that from happening.

[EnerPrime]

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Originally Posted by MaskedRiderAsakura

This would explain why Kaito still transforms into Baron Lemon-Energy rather than Duke Lemon-Energy with what we can assume is Ryoma's Genesis Driver. It would also explain why Takatora transforms into Zangetsu Shin instead of Duke with his original Melon-Energy lockseed.

Actually, Kaito never used Lemon Energy after his Genesis Driver was zapped. Only his Sengoku Driver forms and his Overlord form. It was Yoko who took Ryoma's Driver and used it to become Marika, as opossed to the Duke Peach Energy Arms you would expect if Genesis Drivers used the same ride wear system as the Sengoku Drivers.

Regardless, the ride wear being linked to the lockseed does make the most sense and is consistent with everything we've seen. Though it makes me wonder what suit you'd get from Kouta's Lemon Energy Lockseed, the one he got from Sagara. It's the only ELS we see that's never used in a Gensis Driver, since his Cherry and Peach Energy locks were taken directly from Sid and Yoko.

[GreenPsychoRanger]

All of this has had me wondering. Okay, the Sengoku Drivers (test subject types) are bonded to their wearers. What would happen if the wearer died? Would the belt become vacant again and able to take on a new barer? For instance, Kaito comes back and dies in the Gaim/Drive movie. Would that Sengoku Driver be able to be used by someone else if it were recovered?

[Kamen Rider Vega]

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Originally Posted by GreenPsychoRanger

All of this has had me wondering. Okay, the Sengoku Drivers (test subject types) are bonded to their wearers. What would happen if the wearer died? Would the belt become vacant again and able to take on a new barer? For instance, Kaito comes back and dies in the Gaim/Drive movie. Would that Sengoku Driver be able to be used by someone else if it were recovered?

Most likely or someone of the same bloodline would have to where it.