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#251 |
Warrior of Delusions!
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"Sussy baka" is itself a separate meme, deliberately designed to be silly and obnoxious. It's 'perfect' for Vice.
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#252 |
Echoing Oni
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#253 |
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KAMEN RIDER REVICE: THE MYSTERY EPISODE 3
I love that the Terui/George side of things is just a grumpier, more emotionally distant version of the Shotaro/Philip dynamic from W. Terui’s all DON’T YOU CARE ABOUT PEOPLE’S LIVES, while George is geeking out over all the cool new mad science he’ll get to do in violation of God’s will. It’s a conflict between facts and empathy, yet it might actually have cracked this case. Very fun homage to the original Kamen Rider detective duo. Quote:
Also, Kaido is Kaido! I’d sort of assumed he was, despite the pseudonym, but I was pleasantly surprised to find out that it’s actually the character from Faiz, not just another guitar-playing weirdo for the actor to elevate. Just a nice little beat. I like when characters I like get to show up again! I’m easy!
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There’s basically no real mystery-solving going on at the lodge? The brainpower, when it comes to actual investigation, is all happening outside the locked-room murder mystery part of the project, and it’s an element that is the most standard Kamen Rider plot imaginable. Hunting Down A Monster is… it’s not exactly a mystery that necessitates placement in the title? That’s something that could be in not just any Revice episode, but any Kamen Rider episode. The twist for this one was supposed to be trying to catch a killer in a remote lodge, not running around the city, collecting clues in an abandoned lab. It’s disregarding the rules of an Agatha Christie-style murder mystery, and it makes the story more generic for that change.
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#254 |
Standing By
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: USA
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KAMEN RIDER REVICE: THE MYSTERY EPISODE 4
On that front, I thought this episode?s Drawing Room Accusation stuff mostly worked. I got it when Ikki got it: When Suzu says the word "Orphnoch", there?s no way she could?ve heard it yet. Kaido didn?t identify his monster type before he jumped out a window, and Ikki was the first person to see her afterwards. There?s no possible way for her to have just learned he was an Orphnoch, so she must?ve known well in advance and hidden it from everyone else. Plus, there?s almost no one else it could be at this point; Suzu was the only character with enough screentime to make for a villain worth confronting. #NiceTassel!
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#255 |
Kamen Ride Or Die
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Chicago, IL
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So this'd be several times that George's suspicious behavior is actually pointed out in the series, where I always felt that people overlook that (though not entirely) just because George is a help to the protagonists. He has not gotten official villain status at this point unlike Kuroto, but still, not all people who aid the good guys are also good (the assumption at this time).
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#256 |
Kamen Ride Or Die
Join Date: Aug 2019
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KAMEN RIDER REVICE: THE MYSTERY EPISODE 5
![]() If nothing else, I really appreciate how much the finale to this Legend Rider (and Legend Supporting Cast) spin-off mini-series felt like a Revice ending. It’s all about the need to interrogate and confront the things inside yourself that are shameful and/or destructive, to better understand why you felt that way to begin with. As Suzu’s scheme was revealed last episode, it’s time to reveal what her goal is: resurrection for her dead fiance? Power enough to rule/destroy the world? It turns out that the answer is… nothing, really. She just wants to get enough revenge to stop feeling like her future was taken from her by George and Fenix and Kamen Riders and monsters. There’s no resurrecting her dead lover. The stated goal of Destroying The System is laughably open-ended and ill-advised. It’s all just rage, with no direction or goal. Continuing the work was a way to feel connected to the man she lost, but now there’s nothing but grief and anger. There’s nothing but hurting people to make her rage feel purposeful. And that’s more sad than it is villainous, which Ikki recognizes. This is a woman who needs to let go of the anger and resentment she’s been bottling up, and if she’s gone and turned herself into a composite monstrosity? Well, maybe she can unload her rage on the Kamen Riders that can withstand it. It’s not an ending where Suzu needs to be defeated; it’s an ending where Suzu needs to be rescued from her trauma. The only way to do that is to let it come to the surface, and then let it burn itself out in a safe place. (The lodge's adjacent Natural Hot Quarry, now taking reservations.) Ikki will always want to help someone in trouble more than he’ll want to fight a monster, and this ending recognizes that. It’s the perfect ending for a Revice story. As for the rest of it? Generally enjoyable, even if I find myself questioning about 80% of Suzu’s backstory in regards to how the lodge stuff lines up with the research scientist stuff. (Why does she have a lodge and a devoted staff? Was she independently wealthy, and just loved doing science? Why did she pivot from science into running a bed and breakfast? If the project her fiance started was still being worked on by her, why was the lab accessible to George and Terui? How did she track down one of maybe three remaining Orphnochs, and not even one that was a Kamen Rider for more than two episodes? Why was she working with a guy who was selling black market monster Stamps, when it looks like all she needed was the Orphnoch DNA? Why were they waiting so long to extract Kaido’s DNA?) As much as I like how the story eventually made Suzu a compelling and sympathetic villain, her backstory makes about zero-to-negative sense. It’s a good ending, though. Kaido gets a heartbreaking moment of connection and sacrifice before being like I Told You This Wouldn’t Kill Me and slinking off to go have more scumbag-adjacent adventures. (PARADISE REGAINED??? come on of course paradise regained) I laughed incredibly hard when Ikki suggested to Otta and Terui that maybe he could someday meet their Kamen Rider friends, since that is 2/3rds never ever going to happen. I thought we’d maybe get Daiji and Sakura back for the Happy Spa closing scene, but I still had fun with what we got. And I had fun with this whole thing, despite some choices that I wish the producers hadn’t made. It’s a Neo-W team-up Kamen Rider project that makes room for two classic supporting cast dudes and a thoroughly Revice ending. (Also, a deeply humiliating subplot for Hiromi!) It’s not a great mystery, but it’s a fairly solid piece of Revice storytelling. I’m glad I watched it! ![]() |
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#257 |
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Yeah, you basically summed up my feeling on all this. In the end, it wasn?t a matter of defeating a villain, but saving a soul.
And now I can conclude my Aguilera cosplay photos before getting back to my skits (this one featuring additional dialogue from DreamSword. If he ever deigns to post in this thread again, I?ll let him do the BTS) ![]() Ikki: It's Ikki... Vice: And Vice's'... Both: Stamp Navi!!! (Both pause, slightly confused) Ikki: Where?s George? (Enter Suzu, accompanied by armed guards) Suzu: He insisted on checking my lab for any surprises, but he asked me to handle today?s entry on his behalf. Ikki: Seems fair Vice: And today's' stamp is this one... Oblivian! Suzu: Oblivian is the project my late fianc? Shogo Ueshima started work on, to combine the DNA of 10 different types of monsters from across the Rider multiverse into one ultimate monster. Though if you ask me, he was fairly short sighted to stop at 10, as I?m sure the two of you will agree. Vice: Looks like a real bad egg! Ikki: Ugh. That was bad, even for you. (Suddenly, Ueshima) Ueshima: But not nearly as bad as the Roidmudes! Ikki: Whoa, who are-- Suzu: (teary-eyed) Shogo, it can?t be?! Ueshima: A race of evil robots, hellbent on disrupting public order and messing with the laws of nature! Their ability to slow down time really messes with everyone's' morning routine! Vice: Wow, that does sound annoying! Ikki: Vice, don't humor-- Ueshima: Humor is something monsters like the Smash lack! They're basically just the Roidmudes but a lot less unique in their design, with many people only becoming them thanks to the dangers of gaslighting. Ikki: I don't think that's exactly-- Suzu: Shogo, I know your knowledge of Rider monster was poor, but? Ueshima: I mean really, look at all the black recolors they'd eventually get! You'd think they have a total aversion to sunlight, like the Fangires. Creatures of the night which have a particularly strong aversion to sunlight, garlic, and respecting boundaries. Vice: Same. Ueshima: Which, thinking about it, means they'd be no match for a Zodiart. Zodiarts utilize the power of the stars, which includes the sun, and as such could turn Fangires into shattered glass in an instant. Kind of a bad look when someone drugged up on a switch could easily beat a supernatural monster. Vice: (leans over to Ikki) I'm starting to think this guy's even more looney than Kari-chan is, Ikki. Suzu: (now yelling) Its wrong. This isn?t Shogo. The real Shogo was kind, he wasn?t this? this? (the guards escort her back out) Ueshima: Actually that makes me wonder, are they more doped up than a Dopant is? You feeble minded normies wouldn't know about them. They're a bunch of criminals who directly inject USB sticks into their veins to get high off of the memories of the planet, turning them into elementals that pose a danger to society. Ikki: You're not even listening to us at this point, are you Chuckles? Ueshima: OH I'M LISTENING! AND HOW DARE YOU COMPARE MY BRILLIANT RESEARCH TO THAT OF GEORGE KARIZAKI!? Ikki: Wait, you could hear Vice? Ueshima: DON'T ASK ME QUESTIONS! His research is what lead to the problem we're all dealing with now: The Deadmans! Who are basically just Japanese people who are culturally appropriating Mexican culture with origami! Vice: WHOA! Does the board allow that kind of edgy humor!? (stares at the screen) To the guy writing this, what is your damage!? Writer: Sorry, I'll tone it down. Ikki: You gotta tell me who you keep talking to one of these days. Vice: Well you see, he's a devil who's stuck inside of a ring and-- Ueshima: Once I have the DNA of the Orphenoch, that's right, spelt with an E, because they're Evil, the Oblivian Vistamp will be complete, creating the ultimate monster, and I WILL HAVE THE LAST LAUGH GEORGE! ME!!!! (George then finally arrives on the scene) George: What?? Ueshima: Feeling threatened, George? Once my life's' work is complete, I'll be break dancing all over your grave like the Inves! And who even knows what the heck those are even supposed to be? George: Goddamn Ueshima, either you've changed alot since the last time I saw you, or... wait, how are you even here? Vice: (whispers to Ikki once more, who's just in shock at everything going on at such a rapid pace) It's almost like this guy didn't have much of a personality in the special he showed up in. Ueshima: Well, you see, the thing about that is... (Ueshima stays in stunned silence for a moment, before dropping the Oblivian Vistamp and transforming into a Worm) Worm!Ueshima: Egad, I dare say I'd been befuddled into revealing my secret identity! I must away! (The Worm flees the scene, with no one giving chase) Ikki: Is... is it okay to just let things end like this? George: Ah, it's fine. This will make things far more interesting! Ikki: Well uh, we hope you all enjoyed?? (Suzu re-enters the room, now bound in shackles) Suzu: Erm, excuse me? I actually know some real facts about the monsters used in these Vistamps. Perhaps I could discuss them before I get shipped off to 5 years in Fuchū.* ![]() Deadman Suzu: The Deadman monsters are born from humanity?s impulses, unleashed through the animal DNA within the Vistamp system. Humans can become a Deadman by pledging to a contract with the resulting creature, at the cost of their own humanity, unless they become the offspring of a malicious alien who plans to kill us all. (Glares at George) I hope you?re happy! George: Perfectly. I?m a mad scientist with full government backing. But please go on. Roidmude Suzu: One-hundred and nine mechanical lifeforms created by Dr. Tenjuro Banno and his associate Krim Steinbelt. They were split into three types: Bat, Cobra and Spider. In addition to their Slowdown ability shifting the density in an area where they activate it, they also evolve into stronger forms capable of freezing a quarter of the globe through absorbing humanity?s negative emotions. I suppose my group would be the all you can eat buffet to them. Ikki: I thought these Vistamps were things that humans transformed into. Suzu: In theory yes, but Shogo wasn?t much better informed than the Worm you just encountered. Roidmudes could fuse their Viral Cores around humans in order to gain a stronger output of emotions, in theory. But in practice, it was the biggest balls up this side of AIMS letting Horobi go free with no penalty of any kind. Dopant Suzu: These people were like me. The Sonozaki Family sold body-augmenting Gaia Memories harvested from yhe Earth?s Core, all because their oldest son died in an accident. Only I simply wanted to fulfill my fianc??s final wish, they took it too far. The Dopants? original leaders, Museum, planned to exterminate all those who couldn?t survive becoming one of them in the Gaia Impact, before your new policeman Kamen Rider friend and his drinking buddies stopped them. Ikki: Well, I wouldn?t call Accel-Sempai a friend. Vice: He gave us his phone number. Suzu: I?m going to assume your demon friend contradicted you, and say ?I rest my case?. Now then, let?s get to something more unpleasant. Inves The Helheim Forest. A cosmic lifeform that infests planets with its fruits to induce evolution into Overlords. Those who fail to make the cut eat the fruits and become these mindless creatures, Inves. And then they were used purely as fodder for a Pok?mon knockoff by a bunch of dancers, only with no way to recover from defeat. Not the most noble of fates. George: I mean, it was kill or be killed during Gaim. And it?s not like the Femushinmu could?ve communicated their intentions to humanity, even with their intelligence. Suzu: Exactly. Not understanding a foe can be both a blessing and a curse. Grongi Suzu: 2000 years ago, a tribe of humans in South America were mutated into these creatures through exposure to the mysterious element, Amadam. They attacked their enemies, the Linto tribe, but were fended off by a warrior bearing a refined form of Amadam, Kuuga. But evil dies with great difficulty, as the Grongi proved when they returned at the turn of the millennium and infiltrated Tokyo society by turning into humans, adopting heavy makeup and speaking in unusual words. In other words, goths. The police didn?t know what hit them. One of them even became mayor, for crying out loud. George: What? I don?t remember that episode and I?m a BIIIIIG Kuuga fan. Suzu: Clearly not, since you haven?t read the novel. Now then, let?s stay on topic with more serial-killing monsters. Fangire Suzu: For 22 years, or possibly longer, these demons lived among human society, draining life energy from those they deemed ?weak? or ?a threat?. They wiped out 3 whole races of fellow demons, and then a fourth by proxy. But their downfall came about in 2008. (Suddenly perks up) Ah, that was such a good year! Ikki: It wasn?t for me. I had a tooth I?d swallowed come back up and get lodged in my teeth. Suzu: Don?t let the bad get you down. (Goes over and makes a smiley face motion with Ikki?s mouth) Smile, Smile. George: Ok, Kengo.** Can we please finish the segment without any more actor/role confusion? Orphnoch Suzu: Humans with DNA modified by the Smart Brain corporation. They were supposed to be the next phase in humanity?s evolution once Smart Brain conquered the planet. But then it turned out that they only possessed a half life, and the one thing that could fix that ended up on death?s door. That?s irony for you. Zodiarts Suzu: Not long after the fall of Museum, their benefactors in Foundation X turned their attention to these creatures, born from the cosmic energy that exists within all humans being amplified by an offshoot of the Core Switch sent to gather information by the mysterious alien Presenters. Those with the strongest Cosmic Energy levels would evolve into a constellation-themed Horoscope. When 12 Horoscope Switches are gathered, a portal to the Presenters? world is opened, but a chunk of the planet will be taken out. Vice: Any chance they could open it in France? (Awkward silence and death glares) Hey, I?m just saying what we?re all probably thinking. Worm Suzu: The Worms come in two varieties. The Natives, who spent years infiltrating human society, and the Salis, who chose to launch an all out assault by crashing a meteor into Shibuya. Regardless, the two factions shared one goal: to usurp humanity as the dominant species on Earth from within. The Natives were simply better at seeming reasonable, until they began turning humans into their kind. George: It?s always the ones who seem trustworthy that turn out to be the real threat. (Looks up at the FENIX logo on the wall) Suzu: And now, there?s only these to finish this explanation off Smash Suzu: There?s less information about these than the other monsters Shogo chose for his experiments. But what we can gleam is that they?re monsters from a parallel world where Japan?s infrastructure was tattered into three governments, warring with each other. The Smash existed to create equipment for Kamen Riders to fight in this war, with the poor saps turned into these creatures not remembering a thing. That is, if they were able to survive the transformation. George: And then you copied my Barid Rex Vistamp to combine these 10 into your Frankensteined monster form, am I correct? (Suzu laughs) Suzu: Copied? I IMPROVED upon your Burrito Rex, or whatever. You simply applied an imprint from your 10 Stamps, where as I combined their full powers. George: (having a lightbulb moment) Perhaps you?d like to discuss this with me over coffee and the matter of reducing your jail time. (He then leads Suzu away) Ikki: (watching them go, mournfully) I?m not sure who to feel sorry for. George or Hiromi. Vice: Until next time! WAH-HOO! * The maximum penalty for drug trafficking in Japan, in the country?s most high security prison. ** Suzu is using the catchphrase from Rina Aizawa?s role as Go-On Yellow and George?s comment is a sly jab (though considering I like the show, intended affectionately) at Ultraman Trigger: New Generation Tiga, whose titular character has the same catchphrase. Last edited by Androzani84; 10-26-2023 at 06:49 AM.. |
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#258 |
Kamen Ride Or Die
Join Date: Aug 2019
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That was amazing and incredibly thorough! Thanks to both you and DreamSword for such a fun skit!
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#259 |
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Ha ha, do people seriously not think that George isn't already a villain?! This guy has never once shown that he cares about any of the Riders or civilians or Fenix troops or literally anything other than his own mad Kamen Rider experiments. He's basically a Shocker scientist in everything but name! He's not a good guy!!!
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On that front, I thought this episode’s Drawing Room Accusation stuff mostly worked. I got it when Ikki got it: When Suzu says the word "Orphnoch", there’s no way she could’ve heard it yet. Kaido didn’t identify his monster type before he jumped out a window, and Ikki was the first person to see her afterwards. There’s no possible way for her to have just learned he was an Orphnoch, so she must’ve known well in advance and hidden it from everyone else. Plus, there’s almost no one else it could be at this point; Suzu was the only character with enough screentime to make for a villain worth confronting. Quote:
Beyond that… hoo boy, it’s all just a mix of previously unrevealed details, stuff the audience learned outside of Ikki’s investigation – meaning Ikki had no idea whatsoever of Suzu’s potential motivation – and wild suppositions that incredibly turned out to be accurate. The biggest offender is the frequent instances of Suzu spilling dirt, which I can’t recall ever being shown onscreen, despite Ikki mentioning it as his first clue something was up. It’s the only clue prior to this episode, but I don’t think it was ever actually shown to the audience? Seems like a big deal!
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Still, it mostly doesn’t matter in the details. Suzu was bound to be the culprit, her motivation seemed reasonable to deduce in the previous episode, and the nuts and bolts of how she committed her various crimes is more academic than integral. (Nice to know that half the reason for attacking Hiromi was that he was a sweaty pest! This poor guy! Jesus!) I don’t love how much Ikki just guesses that ice cubes were used to delay the discovery of a crime scene until the perpetrators had an alibi, but whatever.
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#260 |
Some guy. I'm alright.
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Michigan
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Okay, so, Androzani was all "Hey guys I need someone to make me a really dank shitpost." And I was all "Well shit dude that's all I ever post!" And thus this epic tale of deception and rivalry was born! The first half is 99% me whereas the second half is all Androzani. But I gotta say, what handful of edits Androzani made to my half made it even better. Quote:
Oblivian!
Suzu: Oblivian is the project my late fianc? Shogo Ueshima started work on, to combine the DNA of 10 different types of monsters from across the Rider multiverse into one ultimate monster. Though if you ask me, he was fairly short sighted to stop at 10, as I?m sure the two of you will agree. Vice: Looks like a real bad egg! Ikki: Ugh. That was bad, even for you. ![]() Quote:
Ueshima: I mean really, look at all the black recolors they'd eventually get! You'd think they have a total aversion to sunlight, like the Fangires. Creatures of the night which have a particularly strong aversion to sunlight, garlic, and respecting boundaries.
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Ikki: You gotta tell me who you keep talking to one of these days.
Vice: Well you see, he's a devil who's stuck inside of a ring and-- Quote:
(Ueshima stays in stunned silence for a moment, before dropping the Oblivian Vistamp and transforming into a Worm)
Worm!Ueshima: Egad, I dare say I'd been befuddled into revealing my secret identity! I must away! (The Worm flees the scene, with no one giving chase) But yeah that's about it. I had fun writing this nonsense, and Androzani makes a great editor. As for The Mystery in and of itself... it was fun. Yeah, that's about all I got for it.
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