Kamen Rider General Questions

henshinzero · 10-16-2016, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Annuga

ZO+J, Kuuga and Agito, Super-1 and Fourze, Amazon and Shin.
It depends on execution, Decade's flaws had nothing to do with his abilites, but rather the poor writing and unlikable characters

This is about mixing the Showa riders with any of the heisei riders. Ichigo + Kuuga is a start.

Sunred · 10-17-2016, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by henshinzero

If there was a new rider series based on Ultraman Orb, what rider combinations would you picture?

Ichigo + Kuuga/Double
Nigo + Agito
V3 + Ryuki
Rider + Fourze
X + ?
Amazon + ?
Stronger + Kabuto
Skyrider + ?
Super-1 + ?
ZX + ?
Black/RX + ?
Shin + ?
J + ?
ZO + ?

Would you all see it as a better rider than Decade?

Not really. Decade was fine and did the alumni henshin first.
This is just Orb.
But with that said I call Black + Joker.

TF RyuShin · 10-17-2016, 09:22 AM

I don't think Toei will use a fusion-oriented Kamen Rider. Orb already used it and it would be a bit wrong move to use it. Though, I don't know if they will use it for the 20th Heisei Kamen Rider. Anyway, if you ask me about the fusions for Riders, maybe it will go like this:
-Kuuga and Agito: Since, they are connected a bit and duh
-Ryuki and Blade: Cards users
-Kabuto and Faiz/Drive: Speed-oriented Riders
-Ghost and Wizard: Mystic-type Riders
-OOO and Gaim?: Don't know? Just came up in my mind
-W and Fourze: Tech-type Riders and since they have some similar elements
-Decade and Faiz?: Maybe a jerka** protagonist
-Hibiki? and Kiva?: Don't know? One of the remaining here
I don't know Den-O will fit whom, but maybe I will take a look at it. Anyway, for the questions, it might be too mainstream, but seeing Ghost fell over the top, how do you think you could fix it or any other mediocre series?

Annuga · 10-17-2016, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TF RyuShin

Anyway, for the questions, it might be too mainstream, but seeing Ghost fell over the top, how do you think you could fix it or any other mediocre series?

Make me able to see what Makoto's personality is
Don't make Specter and Necrom get reduced to butt monkeys
Make Takeru more likeable
Cut Onari
Use Houdini Damashii more in fights (Specter had it without the wings postfinisher, do that to save CGI costs)

henshinzero · 10-17-2016, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TF RyuShin

I don't think Toei will use a fusion-oriented Kamen Rider. Orb already used it and it would be a bit wrong move to use it. Though, I don't know if they will use it for the 20th Heisei Kamen Rider. Anyway, if you ask me about the fusions for Riders, maybe it will go like this:
-Kuuga and Agito: Since, they are connected a bit and duh
-Ryuki and Blade: Cards users
-Kabuto and Faiz/Drive: Speed-oriented Riders
-Ghost and Wizard: Mystic-type Riders
-OOO and Gaim?: Don't know? Just came up in my mind
-W and Fourze: Tech-type Riders and since they have some similar elements
-Decade and Faiz?: Maybe a jerka** protagonist
-Hibiki? and Kiva?: Don't know? One of the remaining here
I don't know Den-O will fit whom, but maybe I will take a look at it. Anyway, for the questions, it might be too mainstream, but seeing Ghost fell over the top, how do you think you could fix it or any other mediocre series?

Actually, Showa Rider + Heisei/Neo-Heisei Rider.

Showa were the originals before them.

Starters:
Ichigo + Kuuga/Double
Nigo + Agito

vin13ish · 10-17-2016, 05:03 PM

How can Ex-Aid improve from Ghost for LATER Episodes?

1. Less Comedy and More Darker driven storyline

Ghost was NOT very dark because it was a lighthearted show! You got a crazy monk who do over the top performance! Ex-Aid will most likely to be darker than Ghost. I would imagined that Poppi would be kidnapped by Bugsters to throw away the whole forced comedy and focus on serious one

2. Don't make Other Riders the Butt Monkey like Makoto and Alain

Takuro Fukuda make Makoto and Alain look like a buffoon! Their big moment was RUINED by Genm of all people! No wonder why Genm is EVIL Rider. Speaking of Evil Rider...

3. Make one of Rider TRULY EVIL!

They says the tone of Ex-Aid is similar to Gaim and Drive which both of show featured a TRULY EVIL Rider. Ghost didn't have TRULY EVIL Rider unless you count the Movie Rider. Most of Ghost Riders are Good Guys and I feel it doesn't work if you have ALL RIDERS Good Guys in a Multiple Rider Show. It make sense because you want a Rider who is NOT ONLY TRULY EVIL but he will make it WAY PERSONAL for our heroes

4. More Foreshadowing about Ex-Aid's Final Form

The way Ghost got his final form LACKED Foreshadowing! It was a rubbish! Why all Riders have to die in order to gain a new form?! I bet Ex-Aid will die since this is a Video-Game Themed! Get it? Because you will die in a Video Game! Game Over!

5. Less Victim of the week episodes and put more emphasis on serialized storyline

I felt having 2 Part Victim of the Week episodes would distract this one because it's MULTIPLE RIDER SHOW! You don't need to stretch the whole Victim of the week episodes! What is the whole point?

Annuga · 10-17-2016, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by vin13ish

How can Ex-Aid improve from Ghost for LATER Episodes?

1. Less Comedy and More Darker driven storyline

Ghost was NOT very dark because it was a lighthearted show! You got a crazy monk who do over the top performance! Ex-Aid will most likely to be darker than Ghost. I would imagined that Poppi would be kidnapped by Bugsters to throw away the whole forced comedy and focus on serious one

2. Don't make Other Riders the Butt Monkey like Makoto and Alain

Takuro Fukuda make Makoto and Alain look like a buffoon! Their big moment was RUINED by Genm of all people! No wonder why Genm is EVIL Rider. Speaking of Evil Rider...

3. Make one of Rider TRULY EVIL!

They says the tone of Ex-Aid is similar to Gaim and Drive which both of show featured a TRULY EVIL Rider. Ghost didn't have TRULY EVIL Rider unless you count the Movie Rider. Most of Ghost Riders are Good Guys and I feel it doesn't work if you have ALL RIDERS Good Guys in a Multiple Rider Show. It make sense because you want a Rider who is NOT ONLY TRULY EVIL but he will make it WAY PERSONAL for our heroes

4. More Foreshadowing about Ex-Aid's Final Form

The way Ghost got his final form LACKED Foreshadowing! It was a rubbish! Why all Riders have to die in order to gain a new form?! I bet Ex-Aid will die since this is a Video-Game Themed! Get it? Because you will die in a Video Game! Game Over!

5. Less Victim of the week episodes and put more emphasis on serialized storyline

I felt having 2 Part Victim of the Week episodes would distract this one because it's MULTIPLE RIDER SHOW! You don't need to stretch the whole Victim of the week episodes! What is the whole point?

1. While I expect Ex-Aid to be dark, being dark and a smaller focus on comedy doesn't mean it's automatically good, see Den-O and arguably Fourze

2. This is actually a solid point

3. Genm's shaping out to be evil, especially as Zombie Gamer lacks a Level 1 form

4. This point doesn't really matter, not to mention it feels like you only made that point for a joke

5. Again, legitimate point as KR is more known for drama, and Ex-Aid's the 45th anniversary Rider, so it makes sense to stick to the franchise's guns

2-parters aren't necessarily bad, it really depends on how it's done. W, OOO, Fourze and Drive turned out to be pretty damn good regardless of having 2-parters.

vin13ish · 10-17-2016, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Annuga

1. While I expect Ex-Aid to be dark, being dark and a smaller focus on comedy doesn't mean it's automatically good, see Den-O and arguably Fourze

I heard some of people who watch Ex-Aid don't like FORCED Comedy and level 1 forms.

Maybe in later episodes will lesser on FORCED comedy and less on level 1 form if they want Ex-Aid to be dark in later episodes and they probably NOT going to use level 1 form a lot because the CGI monster can cost a lot of money

It make sense to lesser on comedy because it would Messed up the dark tone of the show. Sure they can have a funny moment in later episodes but just toned down the clumsiness of Emu

Annuga · 10-17-2016, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by vin13ish

I heard some of people who watch Ex-Aid don't like FORCED Comedy and level 1 forms.

Maybe in later episodes will lesser on FORCED comedy and less on level 1 form if they want Ex-Aid to be dark in later episodes and they probably NOT going to use level 1 form a lot because the CGI monster can cost a lot of money

It make sense to lesser on comedy because it would Messed up the dark tone of the show. Sure they can have a funny moment in later episodes but just toned down the clumsiness of Emu

There are people who just call all comedy forced in general regardless due to them being overly pessimistic, the 'don't die on me!' scene comes to mind as something not being forced. And the Level 1 forms have a legitimate reason to exist in canon, so those will be there until the plot decides to stop using 'victim of the week'. Not to mention there are different styles of comedy. I know it probably won't happen, but imagine Ex-Aid's comedy being black or snarky comedy in the middle of the show

vin13ish · 10-17-2016, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Annuga

There are people who just call all comedy forced in general regardless due to them being overly pessimistic, the 'don't die on me!' scene comes to mind as something not being forced. And the Level 1 forms have a legitimate reason to exist in canon, so those will be there until the plot decides to stop using 'victim of the week'. Not to mention there are different styles of comedy. I know it probably won't happen, but imagine Ex-Aid's comedy being black or snarky comedy in the middle of the show

Sure Level 1 Form have a reason to be there but the problem is that monsters they fight in Level 1 Form are CGI! You know CGI cost a lot of money for Toei. They need to find a way either of using Level 1 Forms LESS or do with the monsters or even stop Victim of the week in Later episodes in order to save their money

10-17-2016, 07:10 AM	#3722
Sunred Ex-Weather Three leader Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 11,683	Quote: Originally Posted by henshinzero If there was a new rider series based on Ultraman Orb, what rider combinations would you picture? Ichigo + Kuuga/Double Nigo + Agito V3 + Ryuki Rider + Fourze X + ? Amazon + ? Stronger + Kabuto Skyrider + ? Super-1 + ? ZX + ? Black/RX + ? Shin + ? J + ? ZO + ? Would you all see it as a better rider than Decade? Not really. Decade was fine and did the alumni henshin first. This is just Orb. But with that said I call Black + Joker. __________________

10-17-2016, 09:29 AM	#3724
Annuga Avi by @CSarracenian Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 4,227	Quote: Originally Posted by TF RyuShin Anyway, for the questions, it might be too mainstream, but seeing Ghost fell over the top, how do you think you could fix it or any other mediocre series? Make me able to see what Makoto's personality is Don't make Specter and Necrom get reduced to butt monkeys Make Takeru more likeable Cut Onari Use Houdini Damashii more in fights (Specter had it without the wings postfinisher, do that to save CGI costs) __________________

10-17-2016, 05:10 PM	#3727
Annuga Avi by @CSarracenian Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 4,227	Quote: Originally Posted by vin13ish How can Ex-Aid improve from Ghost for LATER Episodes? 1. Less Comedy and More Darker driven storyline Ghost was NOT very dark because it was a lighthearted show! You got a crazy monk who do over the top performance! Ex-Aid will most likely to be darker than Ghost. I would imagined that Poppi would be kidnapped by Bugsters to throw away the whole forced comedy and focus on serious one 2. Don't make Other Riders the Butt Monkey like Makoto and Alain Takuro Fukuda make Makoto and Alain look like a buffoon! Their big moment was RUINED by Genm of all people! No wonder why Genm is EVIL Rider. Speaking of Evil Rider... 3. Make one of Rider TRULY EVIL! They says the tone of Ex-Aid is similar to Gaim and Drive which both of show featured a TRULY EVIL Rider. Ghost didn't have TRULY EVIL Rider unless you count the Movie Rider. Most of Ghost Riders are Good Guys and I feel it doesn't work if you have ALL RIDERS Good Guys in a Multiple Rider Show. It make sense because you want a Rider who is NOT ONLY TRULY EVIL but he will make it WAY PERSONAL for our heroes 4. More Foreshadowing about Ex-Aid's Final Form The way Ghost got his final form LACKED Foreshadowing! It was a rubbish! Why all Riders have to die in order to gain a new form?! I bet Ex-Aid will die since this is a Video-Game Themed! Get it? Because you will die in a Video Game! Game Over! 5. Less Victim of the week episodes and put more emphasis on serialized storyline I felt having 2 Part Victim of the Week episodes would distract this one because it's MULTIPLE RIDER SHOW! You don't need to stretch the whole Victim of the week episodes! What is the whole point? 1. While I expect Ex-Aid to be dark, being dark and a smaller focus on comedy doesn't mean it's automatically good, see Den-O and arguably Fourze 2. This is actually a solid point 3. Genm's shaping out to be evil, especially as Zombie Gamer lacks a Level 1 form 4. This point doesn't really matter, not to mention it feels like you only made that point for a joke 5. Again, legitimate point as KR is more known for drama, and Ex-Aid's the 45th anniversary Rider, so it makes sense to stick to the franchise's guns 2-parters aren't necessarily bad, it really depends on how it's done. W, OOO, Fourze and Drive turned out to be pretty damn good regardless of having 2-parters. __________________

10-17-2016, 05:31 PM	#3728
vin13ish Veteran Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 1,464	Quote: Originally Posted by Annuga 1. While I expect Ex-Aid to be dark, being dark and a smaller focus on comedy doesn't mean it's automatically good, see Den-O and arguably Fourze I heard some of people who watch Ex-Aid don't like FORCED Comedy and level 1 forms. Maybe in later episodes will lesser on FORCED comedy and less on level 1 form if they want Ex-Aid to be dark in later episodes and they probably NOT going to use level 1 form a lot because the CGI monster can cost a lot of money It make sense to lesser on comedy because it would Messed up the dark tone of the show. Sure they can have a funny moment in later episodes but just toned down the clumsiness of Emu Last edited by vin13ish; 10-17-2016 at 05:34 PM..

10-17-2016, 05:39 PM	#3729
Annuga Avi by @CSarracenian Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 4,227	Quote: Originally Posted by vin13ish I heard some of people who watch Ex-Aid don't like FORCED Comedy and level 1 forms. Maybe in later episodes will lesser on FORCED comedy and less on level 1 form if they want Ex-Aid to be dark in later episodes and they probably NOT going to use level 1 form a lot because the CGI monster can cost a lot of money It make sense to lesser on comedy because it would Messed up the dark tone of the show. Sure they can have a funny moment in later episodes but just toned down the clumsiness of Emu There are people who just call all comedy forced in general regardless due to them being overly pessimistic, the 'don't die on me!' scene comes to mind as something not being forced. And the Level 1 forms have a legitimate reason to exist in canon, so those will be there until the plot decides to stop using 'victim of the week'. Not to mention there are different styles of comedy. I know it probably won't happen, but imagine Ex-Aid's comedy being black or snarky comedy in the middle of the show __________________