[ComicGuy89]

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Originally Posted by Locke

But once again 'practically' and 'for all intents and purposes' is different than it actually happening in the story and narrative. That is why I didn't appreciate Avatar and found it very kid friendly, whereas I found stuff like JLU, BTAS and Beyond much more catered for an adult (or at least much older) audience.

I knew you would latch on that example.

Her simply dying is not interesting. Avatar has shown that it can handle death as Matrix and I have pointed out in just a few examples. What makes it more interesting is why she chose to disappear. Think about it, if she was murdered, the story is straightforward enough. Ozai is evil, and she was good and Zuko should have revenge. But she ran, implying she had something to do with the plot, that there was more than meets the eye.

That is also why she was a more interesting character than Warren McGinnis. I am not saying this was the only way they could have done the story, I am merely saying that explicit death is not the only plot-line a show can use.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Really? I felt Season 2 had tons of consequencies to the actions of the characters.
Eh. Not every show is for everyone.

I guess so, debating can't go on forever.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

And people died in JLU and BTAS (Outside of Bruce's parents)?
I can only remember Devil Ray, and his death was silhouetted out.

Solomon Grundy died and that was pretty significant. Most other deaths, if they were for significant characters, left clear room for return.

[Locke]

You, and thousands of others, praise Avatar but that doesn't change that it did nothing for me.

I love Shounen anime already and Japan doesn't have nearly the same limitations in telling its stories, so I'd rather watch those. Or American animated series who recognise their limitations and work around them to better their shows. Even Alien Force had more mature story telling and better stakes than Avatar.

And as much as you can tell me Avatar did that and go into a scene I remember nothing about because I've long since forgotten about the show as I cared nothing for it, I didn't feel Avatar did at the time, which is why I gave up on it and haven't watched it again since.

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Even Alien Force had more mature story telling and better stakes than Avatar.

How?

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

How?

Romance was actually realised. There was cause and effect and consequence. Actual stakes and tension.

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Romance was actually realised. There was cause and effect and consequence. Actual stakes and tension.

>Romance was actually realized in Avatar (Aang and Katara, Zuko and Mai, Sokka and Suki)
>There were cause and effect in Avatar (Aang and co exploring Wong Shi Tong's Library led to Appa's kidnapping while also telling the characters the day of the solar eclipse (A day which Firebenders lose their power), setting up the plot for the remainded of the season; Azula working with Long Feng led to her backstabbing Long Feng, taking command of the Dai Li, leading to the capture of Ba Sing Se, capital of the Earth Kingdom)
>Consequence (Everything in Season 3)
>Actual stakes and tension (You're bullshitting me here. There was so little tension in Alien Force I think even Ben acknowledged how little threat his enemies truly were)

I don't have a problem with you not liking Avatar, really, I don't. But it seems that you just choose to ignore what happened in Avatar just because "It didn't show me this guy getting burned to death, so it's kiddy."

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

>Romance was actually realized in Avatar (Aang and Katara, Zuko and Mai, Sokka and Suki)
>There were cause and effect in Avatar (Aang and co exploring Wong Shi Tong's Library led to Appa's kidnapping while also telling the characters the day of the solar eclipse (A day which Firebenders lose their power), setting up the plot for the remainded of the season; Azula working with Long Feng led to her backstabbing Long Feng, taking command of the Dai Li, leading to the capture of Ba Sing Se, capital of the Earth Kingdom)
>Consequence (Everything in Season 3)
>Actual stakes and tension (You're bullshitting me here. There was so little tension in Alien Force I think even Ben acknowledged how little threat his enemies truly were)

I don't have a problem with you not liking Avatar, really, I don't. But it seems that you just choose to ignore what happened in Avatar just because "It didn't show me this guy getting burned to death, so it's kiddy."

I guess all the good stuff happened in season three then, oh well. I still downright refuse to sit through two seasons of utter shite to get to 'the good bit' especially if I might not even like it. From my experience of the two seasons I forced myself through it was no better than 4kids One Piece and I physically couldn't take another season of this overrated garbage.

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Locke

I guess all the good stuff happened in season three then, oh well. I still downright refuse to sit through two seasons of utter shite to get to 'the good bit' especially if I might not even like it. From my experience of the two seasons I forced myself through it was no better than 4kids One Piece and I physically couldn't take another season of this overrated garbage.

Hence why I didn't spoiler anything.
I thought all of Avatar was good, bar like, 5 episodes from Season 1.

Like I said, there's nothing wrong with disliking the show, but your reasoning is just factually wrong. People die. Actions have consequences. Romances are more than just "They kind of sorta maybe like each other." And a lot of this occurs, or are at least set up, in seasons 1 and 2, not just 3.

Much like how I'm free to despise Decade, you're free to loathe Avatar, but your statements seem like you watched for 5 minutes then just tuned out the remaining 15 for each episode you watched.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Hence why I didn't spoiler anything.
I thought all of Avatar was good, bar like, 5 episodes from Season 1.

Like I said, there's nothing wrong with disliking the show, but your reasoning is just factually wrong. People die. Actions have consequences. Romances are more than just "They kind of sorta maybe like each other." And a lot of this occurs, or are at least set up, in seasons 1 and 2, not just 3.

Much like how I'm free to despise Decade, you're free to loathe Avatar, but your statements seem like you watched for 5 minutes then just tuned out the remaining 15 for each episode you watched.

To be fair I probably did, I was about as engaged with this show as I am with those videos we watched in science at school.

[KRX]

At the very least, you could watch Doug Walker's Vlogs on the series. He's recently finished the first season, and he does a really good job detailing what happened in the episode and why he did or did not like it. They usually range from 9-12 minutes, so it shouldn't be too time-consuming.

I will say this, early Alien Force did feel like it had tension and an over-arching story. It also felt like a continuation of Ben as a character—he's cooled off, grown up, and moved on, but he still will get the job done. After the Highbreed story, though, the show got annoying. I haven't gotten around to watching Omniverse in its entirety, but I did like what I saw.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by KRX

At the very least, you could watch Doug Walker's Vlogs on the series. He's recently finished the first season, and he does a really good job detailing what happened in the episode and why he did or did not like it. They usually range from 9-12 minutes, so it shouldn't be too time-consuming.

I really want nothing to do with it honestly. I gave it a chance. I didn't enjoy it. I have so much to watch and so much I am enjoying, why waste my time on something I dislike?

I'm already using Doug's view on Power Rangers to enjoy MMPR for the first time in about twenty years.