[Fish Sandwich]

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

There is no deeper motivation behind anything he does other than to be cheap, brainless comic relief.

It's more like that's 75% of the motivation but I feel you.

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Originally Posted by KyoryuGreen

I loved so much about this episode it was great.

You know man, I really envy your ability to say your piece on an episode and then stop. I wish I could be that chill about liking Ghost.

[KyoryuGreen]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

You know man, I really envy your ability to say your piece on an episode and then stop. I wish I could be that chill about liking Ghost.

Thanks, though I have to defend it everywhere else lol. Though I am perfectly happy about living in my crazy wonderland of loving Ghost.

[Spearichu]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

G-Reco is pretty much the definition of weird and different plotting. You'll never guess but I thought that show was pretty good too. Nowhere near as confusing as people act like it is.

Of course you would, I didn't like it the first half I apparently would have to do homework by rewatching it and maybe take notes to understand more than the main things and the later half just seem to introduce new things that go no where other than "oh did you know" that could of been done more with if it was 25 episodes long and over in a few episode. But I do like the mobile suits I even have a mack knife gunpla that I like.

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

Why does he randomly start drawing on Alain's face when he's asleep? Because of a long-standing rivalry or some kind of resentment? No, because the writers think it's funny.

Ok I will slightly defend this only because if you have a marker suddenly in your hand, someone sleeping near you, and a good chance to get away with it the thought would be tempting. But as for the rest, honestly Onari could be a really good character but that seems like it will only happen if he was in a different show or had a different writer.

I do know of one way that they could try to save his character, but they will not do it and I am not sure it will work.

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Originally Posted by KyoryuGreen

Thanks, though I have to defend it everywhere else lol. Though I am perfectly happy about living in my crazy wonderland of loving Ghost.

I hate you out of envy

[Fish Sandwich]

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Originally Posted by Spearichu

Of course you would, I didn't like it the first half I apparently would have to do homework by rewatching it and maybe take notes to understand more than the main things

Let's be clear, G-Reco is on a TOTALLY different level than Ghost when it comes to being impossibly dense. I never felt completely lost or anything, but I actually did rewatch it, and I'm kind of amazed how much more sense it made the second time around. But that's a topic for a different thread (that I probably won't go in because man if you think I have unpopular opinions on Kamen Rider...).

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Originally Posted by Spearichu

Ok I will slightly defend this only because if you have a marker suddenly in your hand, someone sleeping near you, and a good chance to get away with it the thought would be tempting.

Oh, and I'd just like to throw in that Onari's kinship with Goemon makes a lot of sense and the gag actually builds on itself over several episodes, which elevates it above a lot of Onari-related humor.

[Switchblade]

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Originally Posted by Spearichu

Ok I will slightly defend this only because if you have a marker suddenly in your hand, someone sleeping near you, and a good chance to get away with it the thought would be tempting.

Except one of Onari's main recurring traits is being super respectful. It doesn't make any sense for him to vandalize Alain, given he had no obvious issues with him before he did it.

[TheGloryXros]

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Originally Posted by The Chaos Entity

Could you please explain what you want a pair of seven/eight-year-old children to do? They didn't even know what happened, and we don't know how Ryu explained it, either. For all we know, he could have died the next day or something.

The heck kinda question is this??? You're acting like I'm questioning Takeru & the others not doing anything. I'm not questioning why they didn't do anything. I'm questioning why they never gave Makoto an explanation for why they didn't/couldn't do anything. Makoto honestly is entitled to recieve such an answer at the very least, considering his circumstances(or at least the description of them). But from what I recall, Takeru never addressed that question.

[MaskedRiderAsakura]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

He'd describe it as hell because to him, it was. There's no discrepancy. I wasn't trying to say he was manipulating Takeru or anything. The writers didn't just make up what the Ganma world is like later on. Everything you see in that first arc is consistent with what you see later. Makoto's relationship with Alain, all of Javert's dialogue, Makoto even having a Ghost Driver; Yurusen mentions early on the reason Gramps doesn't show up half the time is because he's "busy", wonder what that could mean?

I should rephrase a little bit here. Even if the Ganma World isn't as bad as Makoto's description would lead us to believe, for him it was that bad and it's a crucial piece of his character development, so the audience should at least feel that way.


But then we come to find out that what makes the Ganma World really suck is that it used to be a beautiful place, but then the Ganma had to watch the world go to shit as their dreams of this society started to be crushed more and more (mostly because Adonis had this naive notion of death and suffering being a thing that should never happen). That's not something that Makoto or Kanon got the chance to really experience and not long after they arrived, they had people taking care of them and offering them their friendship. Sure, they were separated from friends and family, but that's not a reason to describe the Ganma World itself as "hell".

You could argue that the general state of decay is what caused Makoto to describe it like that, but when people talk about Hell, they usually refer to actual pain and suffering, not just a red sky.

[IXRollOutIX]

Just gonna interject here a little, wasn't Makoto kind of brought up as some kind of soldier in the Ganma world? We only ever really see him being tested in combat during the flashbacks of his time there, at least as an adult. I can imagine that being pretty grueling after a while. Plus, the atmosphere of the place took Kanon away from him, so I can completely understand his resentment for the world itself.

[Fish Sandwich]

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Originally Posted by MaskedRiderAsakura

Sure, they were separated from friends and family, but that's not a reason to describe the Ganma World itself as "hell".

That's what I'm saying though, he isn't describing the world itself, he's talking about his experience there with that line. I think being separated from everyone and everything you love for 10 years qualifies decently enough as "hell" on that level. Certainly "hellish", no?

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Originally Posted by IXRollOutIX

Just gonna interject here a little, wasn't Makoto kind of brought up as some kind of soldier in the Ganma world? We only ever really see him being tested in combat during the flashbacks of his time there, at least as an adult. I can imagine that being pretty grueling after a while. Plus, the atmosphere of the place took Kanon away from him, so I can completely understand his resentment for the world itself.

Also all this stuff. I'm kind of amazed this has gone on this long. I know my credibility is hurt by how willing I am to jump to the defense of pretty much anything in Ghost but I'm like 110% positive this part is objectively explicable.

[AkibaSilver]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

That's what I'm saying though, he isn't describing the world itself, he's talking about his experience there with that line. I think being separated from everyone and everything you love for 10 years qualifies decently enough as "hell" on that level. Certainly "hellish", no?

Yurusen calls it hell at one point. Not in relation to Makoto, just "It's hell there, isn't it?"