[Spearichu]

WARNING THIS WILL BE A BIG POST

There were good things in this episode but even the things I liked were not pulled off that great. For example the fight between heroic eyecons and the ganmerizers, was only a little bit enjoyable for me because only a few ganmerizers had actual suits. Really wish they all had suits to make it as epic as it should of been instead of using CG.

The Adel becoming good scene I tried to enjoy it but something just felt off, also how did Takeru show that scene of Edith and Adel's father? Did he somehow take the memory from Edith who was in the other room? Also were the others able to see what Takeru and Adel were seeing? I ask because Alia came in knowing whats happening and added her memory to this.

Why is the Ganma world sky red? Did they ever say why yet? Because they showed it was blue when they first came to it but its always been shown red and that final fight with possessed Adel the sky was blue. Was that suppose to be some poor attempt as symbolism or did they just forgot that the scene takes place in the Ganma world?

The Igor scene I am not actually bothered by it because I am just glad that he is gone for now. Why did Kanon thought it was a good idea for her to come when she has no weapon or experience? At least with Akari and Onari (also is the ari part of their names a joke or coincidence?) they had weapons and Onari probably has experience in fighting from the very little background they gave to him that they decide to instead give to the glasses monk that I keep forgetting actually has a name.

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

Come on, worse than Kiva? That's just mean.

Kiva is not that bad plus I could re watch Kiva and enjoy it more than if I re watch ghost, while knowing full well of its issues.

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Originally Posted by Pineapple924

What was the point of Narita? Shibuya was at least important enough to get an Arc with his mother. But what about Narita? what's his deal? Does he have a deal? Shame we'll never find out.

Speaking of things that we'll never find out. What happened to the Takeru's Mom Sub-sub-sub-sub-subplot? What was the point of all that?

Narita and Shibuya? That's their names? It is very easy to forget their names for how important they are to this show. I am not sure if the creators know which minor characters to expand on or how to do it. Also it would probably be better if they just drop the Takeru's mom thing, because I doubt it will be done well.

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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV

Alternate example: I enjoy Decade and have fun with each episode but its overall story is a mess. To me Ghost is the opposite of that.

Is that why I like Decade while others don't? Does sound about right.

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Also Gramps saying that there's a rhinoceros beatle on one of the mook's back immediately made me shout, "BLADE!"

Great now I wish Blade was in this show to help me like it again.

[Fish Sandwich]

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Originally Posted by Spearichu

Kiva is not that bad plus I could re watch Kiva and enjoy it more than if I re watch ghost, while knowing full well of its issues.

Hey, I really like Kiva! It's just... You know, Kiva...

I think you and a lot of other people here would be surprised if you rewatched Ghost from the start. The big reason it failed to click with so many of you is how messy the writing was, so watching it knowing what you do would really help fill in the blanks. It's more coherent than it might seem.

[Pineapple924]

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

Uh... the Great Eyezer is the final villain of Ghost. He's going to die next episode more than likely. Like literally there is nothing Crossover related about his appearance this week, at all. It's literally the Ganmaizer's assimilating the Great Eye and becoming this new being that looks like Extremer. Fitting since at first a lot of people thought that would be Adel's final form before we found out it was movie exclusive.

Really the "crossover" next time is going to amount to Kamen Rider Genmu showing up and wrecking stuff up with his BMX Bike. It's basically the equivalent of Ghost showing up in a dream-like state to Shinnosuke after his final battle. Just instead we've got Genmu crashing the finale for reals.

Oh really? I honestly thought he was gonna be the big-bad of the Ex-Aid crossover since:

A) Despite all his shortcomings, the final villain I actually cared about just got Sadness Break'd by Takeru.

B) I remember hearing about the Ex-Aid Crossover being a two part-er from episode 49-50. So I assumed this episode was supposed to be the finale.

C) The magazines scans had Great Eyezer shown only fighting Ghost in Ore Form. And I thought that was because they we're gonna use it in the crossover.

Edit* One last thing, I'd also like to point out because I just remembered. Shibuya was also important enough to get a full name, he's listed as: Shibuya Hachioji, while Narita is only listed as: Narita.

[Spearichu]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

Hey, I really like Kiva! It's just... You know, Kiva...

I think you and a lot of other people here would be surprised if you rewatched Ghost from the start. The big reason it failed to click with so many of you is how messy the writing was, so watching it knowing what you do would really help fill in the blanks. It's more coherent than it might seem.

Maybe but you mentioned earlier about Ghost having a lot of crazy ideas. I am just curious but were the ideas spread out or did they start showing up in the second half? What I am getting at is that I loved the first half of ghost but by the time of the third revival I started hating it. Maybe they had too many ideas or were they crunched up in the later half because I do not remember many crazy ideas in the first half other than Takeru being dead and Makoto being an eyecon.

[Fish Sandwich]

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Originally Posted by Spearichu

Maybe but you mentioned earlier about Ghost having a lot of crazy ideas. I am just curious but were the ideas spread out or did they start showing up in the second half?

A bit of both? What I meant by "crazy ideas" was mostly that I feel Ghost has a lot of unique stuff it wants to do that no other show has quite done the same way.

Certainly things have gotten more complicated as they've gone on. The first eleven episodes were a fairly simple Dragonball plot but by the last third you have political intrigue with the Ganma, the Infinite Potential™ stuff really comes to the fore, the subplots pile up...

That really is Ghost's big problem. If I'm not mistaken this was Takuro Fukuda's first show as head writer. I wouldn't call Ghost poorly paced but its plotting is really... weird, I guess? Different?

[Helios]

I'm definitely going to miss this show. Next week is the finale followed by a farewell crossover episode. If Makoto died I was going to be really heartbroken. Specter was my favorite rider from this show.

[Spearichu]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

A bit of both? What I meant by "crazy ideas" was mostly that I feel Ghost has a lot of unique stuff it wants to do that no other show has quite done the same way.

Certainly things have gotten more complicated as they've gone on. The first eleven episodes were a fairly simple Dragonball plot but by the last third you have political intrigue with the Ganma, the Infinite Potential™ stuff really comes to the fore, the subplots pile up...

That really is Ghost's big problem. If I'm not mistaken this was Takuro Fukuda's first show as head writer. I wouldn't call Ghost poorly paced but its plotting is really... weird, I guess? Different?

Its his first time as head writer? That would make sense then as how Ghost might have too many ideas. Takuro might of been very tempted to try these ideas. I'm curious now how Ghost ended up like this. Though its reminding me of Gundam Reconguista in G.

[AkibaSilver]

Episode was pretty good. Probably on the bad half of finales I've seen, but still some salvagable stuff. Alain's relationship with his family shone through, and Fake!Spectre and Real!Spectre getting united as a single person was really the only way they could wrap up the subplot without one of them dying... which they did anyway. For a show about Ghosts, they like showing people getting killed of, don't they? Especially Makoto.

Igor falling in love... Nah. that's just Onari making stuff up. He saved them because he was still shocked from Adelification and Akari using Double Slap (It's Super Effective!), and did something stupid. He's still alive somewhere though, so you can guarantee he'll be back. Maybe as the movie villain.

Also, as someone who has watched the Rider Specials... Yeah, nothing ties the twin into the great eye. It made no sense. At least they adressed the costume re-use for Dark Ghost, but here... nope. We don't even know if Takeru and Makoto still have the rider eyecons. Pointless characters are there because they couldn't think of anyone else to be used. Why they couldn't just have the Ganmeizers form Eyezer is a mystery for the ages.

Also, Kanon as Pink Necrom when? She was more successful than Alia, after all

[EpsilonX]

I think the show would be a lot better if you watched it in large chunks. Once I caught up and had to wait for new episodes every week, I didn't enjoy it nearly as much. But when I was in the process of catching up (I think the idol group episode was the first one to come out after I caught up) it was much more enjoyable.

[Fish Sandwich]

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Originally Posted by Spearichu

Though its reminding me of Gundam Reconguista in G.

G-Reco is pretty much the definition of weird and different plotting. You'll never guess but I thought that show was pretty good too. Nowhere near as confusing as people act like it is.

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Originally Posted by AkibaSilver

Igor falling in love... Nah. that's just Onari making stuff up. He saved them because he was still shocked from Adelification and Akari using Double Slap (It's Super Effective!), and did something stupid.

I keep forgetting to throw my two cents in on this but you pretty much summed it up. It's pretty half-baked but I can dig the idea. The aggressively logical scientist makes an illogical decision. Ghost's villains are all about denying their own humanity so it works on that level. I really do think it's important to note that what Onari said isn't meant to be taken at 100% face-value.

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Originally Posted by AkibaSilver

Also, Kanon as Pink Necrom when? She was more successful than Alia, after all

Oh my god, if that doesn't happen in the next Movie War I'm going to be genuinely disappointed.

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Originally Posted by EpsilonX

I think the show would be a lot better if you watched it in large chunks.

Absolutely. Ghost is a surprisingly dense narrative so it's probably for the best to not give yourself time to forget details between episodes. The Javert stuff, for example, almost certainly comes off a lot better without months in between appearances.