Kamen Rider Geats Episode 19- "Divergence III- VOTE! Who Is The Desire Star?!"

Paladin · 01-21-2023, 07:49 AM

Keiwa, the lowest-ranking member of the Desire Grand Prix, fights to save a group of children caught in the latest battle.

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Mesnick · 01-22-2023, 02:05 PM

Watched the episode. Jamato ball was spectacular, with good use of abilities, but the end of the whole round is quite predictable. As for Michinaga, I still don't understand why he came back if he ended up in the same place where he was thrown in the last episode. He didn't tell Ace anything new, and unless Geats and the others use the information in some way in the future, it doesn't make much sense. But I like that the main villains are precisely the leadership of the DGP, and not the Jamato artificially created by them. What I don't like is the strong Dan Kuroto vibe from Niram. Also the Ex-Aid reference was funny.

DreadBringer · 01-22-2023, 02:53 PM

None really problematic in this episode, but there's some personal disappointments.

So there's a clear explanation on why Keiwa's so lucky. It was indicated before of Kekera giving secret missions appropriate for him, but now it's confirmed that he's the one who directly gave him Boost several times behind the scenes. Seems that while Game Master can't interfere with the game, the 'outside' party like fan/viewer/sponsor can? Kekera also doesn't seem to appreciate Keiwa's kindness (concerned for Jamatos) and trusting nature (Daichi's words), giving him a pep talk to be more suspicious of others instead. Which makes me wonder what does Kekera see in Keiwa, as obviously most people who like him would have his kindness as primary reason, or if Kekera is just assigned to support him. A̶l̶s̶o̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶u̶s̶u̶a̶l̶,̶ ̶a̶ ̶w̶a̶r̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶n̶o̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶e̶s̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶c̶e̶r̶t̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶c̶e̶s̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶K̶e̶k̶e̶r̶a̶'̶s̶ ̶m̶a̶t̶.̶.̶.̶.̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶S̶h̶o̶t̶a̶r̶o̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶g̶o̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶e̶n̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶w̶h̶e̶n̶ ̶T̶o̶k̶i̶m̶e̶ ̶g̶o̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶t̶o̶ ̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶b̶e̶d̶.̶

Michinaga's journey on the greenhouse turns out to involve more characters in the story than just him alone, like how it highlighted Niram and Samas' expected true nature, of how Niram only prioritized audience's reactions above everything else, which'd include killing off anyone who's still alive for 'realism' as humans shouldn't survive fatal injuries, while planning to revive Michinaga as a Jamato for audience's entertainment, and Samas being steadfast to help Niram's dirty work, with her possibly being 'inhuman' like Tsumuri to be strong enough to carry Michinaga's body back. Chirami also prioritizes audience entertainment. and his contrast to Girori is more highlighted here as the old-fashioned one, wonder how far Chirami can take his approach, especially with him turning the Riders against each other. and as usual, Archimedel had further creepy stuff by the Jamato baby's eyes. Michinaga also seemingly just heard all their conversations which can expect him planning something, likely the first time since eliminating Morio, and after he ignored his lesson of ignoring Ace's help to get him back on the game.

It also provides the solution to clear Keiwa's name, as Ace informed to Keiwa that the dead Riders are truly gone with Michinaga as the sole exception, as Michinaga also learned from Archimedel. Something that Keiwa needs to know to clear his hesitation as the Jamatos only shapeshift into Riders. Overall this part also highlights on how Ace has been attached on Keiwa (outside of him not telling his true goals to him unlike Neon), with him still being helpful to spoil him with steak as 'supper' (celebrity life), and relaying those info to him, and later defending the canteen, albeit with likely some stealthy way such as voting him to further motivate him. Now I wonder if Ace'd let him in when he was there when Keiwa begged him to share a room with him. Ace's scene with Michinaga also emphasized that the hatred is more one sided in Michinaga's part, though Michinaga only gets an onigiri (appropriately a beef one, with Ace even bringing him up right after him and Keiwa talked about beef) unlike Keiwa's luxurious stuff.

After some strange behavior to Keiwa in Divergence DGP lately, seems that Neon finally starts to speak up about Keiwa in honest way, of it being obvious that she'd describe Keiwa as kind to a fault, and that it makes sense for him to try being concerned about the Jamatos being connected to dead Riders, which makes him a trustworthy person in her eyes that she can't see as a Desire Star. Being honest also seems to have opposite effect to Neon going along with Sae's slapstick before, but instead Sae seeing her opinion as believable and later, seemingly warmed up to him a little like giving him Ninja Buckle back. Despite this though, I'd probably suspect her as the Desire Star here still due to her previous behavior to him, but still has her limits in this episode to finally stand up for him. Though the argument of her fumbling the ball may not apply anymore as she now performs well, like what actually Sae stated. Ofc Sae likely getting Neon on her side can be an argument for Sae being Desire Star as well. It's unknown what are the reguirements and the drawbacks of being Desire Star though like being required to cause some shit-stirring.

Keiwa's cool moment here is shown by him being the one who almost single-handedly scored the goal in the tie-breaker game and raising his popularity status to 2nd behind Ace. It's pretty badass for him to be able to hold his own against multiple Jamatos while using entry form (so they made Tycoon caught up to Buffa in entry form feat too, perhaps Na-Go next), but yeah, turns out that the cool moment here is only about game performance, no trickery involved. It's true that it makes sense that his kindness would make others latch on him, and bail him out, but yeah I'd like for his tanuki aspect to also shine more here. Ace is overall the MVP of this episode with him being the one to score a double goal to force the game into a draw (and even then he can do that earlier), and the one who exposed Daichi's schemes by attacking the shapeshifting Jamatos, while convincing others that Daichi was the one seemingly more Desire Star-like in his behavior. So Keiwa's name being cleared was other's work with Keiwa just finishing the job, and he didn't learn anything about his trusting nature, unless it's subtle as shown in him voting Daichi too. And it's also unknown why he left out Command Twin Buckle, even if it gave the scene of entry form whooping ass.

I actually expected Sae and Daichi, being the veterans who pose more of a challenge, to last longer than other extra DGP Riders, similar to the likes of Shibaura, Tezuka, or Tojo in Ryuki, but turns out they don't, or at least Daichi here as he's eliminated here, which kinda disappoints me, for the first time seeing an extra Rider being eliminated, as I'd like to see more of him based on my screentime expectation. And he's not the Desire Star, which I never thought he was anyway. He's an easy guess, thus he's a red herring. But it's also an irony that his shit-stirring behavior is what makes him look like an actual Desire Star, getting all other Riders vote him out at the end, even if he wasn't one, making his judgmental nature his downfall, as well as a mistake for him to openly accuse Keiwa. And I also called it that Daichi directed suspicion to Keiwa to eliminate his competitors, as it's stated the one with most votes will be eliminated regardless if they're Desire Star or not.

Matrixbeast · 01-22-2023, 05:44 PM

If Ace isn't the imposter, then I will be genuinely surprised. The first arc of the show was literally littered with "Don't trust Ace. He plays to win, not to be nice", in addition to Nadge-Sparrow being so obviously over-the-top two faced that he was audience bait.

Anyway, it's nice to learn why a "Rare" item like Boost ended up in Keiwa's hands so often (Despite the fact that 9 times out of 10 he didn't even use it). I'm not a big fan of the audience being able to influence the games so heavily. Not only creating secret missions for the players to accomplish, but also being able to pick which item is granted.

I initially considered the audience participation may be a post-Girori thing, but then I remembered frog man admitted that he's been supporting Keiwa like this from the get go.

goseigold · 01-23-2023, 11:30 AM

Ok so I have 3 different theories about the desire star:
1. It's either Sae or Ace
2. The desire star doesn't even know they're filling that role
3. The game master is just messing with everyone for some unknown reason

Mesnick · 01-23-2023, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by goseigold

Ok so I have 3 different theories about the desire star:
1. It's either Sae or Ace
2. The desire star doesn't even know they're filling that role
3. The game master is just messing with everyone for some unknown reason

1. I agree.
2. Then it's not Ace.
3. An indisputable fact.

Mesnick · 01-23-2023, 01:55 PM

By the way, what do you think, who is the main villain in this story: DGP management or sponsors? Obviously, the former did everything to entertain the latter. But what if sponsors / some of them, are not aware of the true origin of Jamato? This then makes them victims of deception, perhaps even more so than the players.

Daikaijuman54 · 01-25-2023, 10:01 PM

Yes, I am still watching, but I've not been in a good place, so I haven't been talking much.

But I must say, Geats has been consistently good and interesting so far, which is more than I can say for the previous Reiwa Riders. Also, Tycoon best boy.

I do like the wolf and owl Riders, which is great since we get new Riders instead of recolors (when's the Black Bear Rider? Ha ha.). I feel like the Desaster/Desire Star (I don't know which to pick at this moment) might be Ace. Just a hunch, since I feel like it wouldn't be Lupo since she's new, and they'd likely pit it against the main three.

And it looks like my boy Buffa's going to get a Lord Baron Arc.

Next Episode: Anyone else thought of that guy from Bungo Stray Dogs with the Lemon Bombs, or is that just me?

Mesnick · 01-26-2023, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Daikaijuman54

And it looks like my boy Buffa's going to get a Lord Baron Arc.

The main thing is that he should not be made the final opponent. The Baron already seemed like a weak enemy to Gaim because Dj Sagara was helping Kouta, but at least it wasn't that obvious due to the dynamic between Kouta and Kaito. In the case of Geats and Buffa, the confrontation will be like beating a calf.

Deepsea · 01-26-2023, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

The main thing is that he should not be made the final opponent. The Baron already seemed like a weak enemy to Gaim because Dj Sagara was helping Kouta, but at least it wasn't that obvious due to the dynamic between Kouta and Kaito. In the case of Geats and Buffa, the confrontation will be like beating a calf.

I actually think Buffa wont go evil, but might instead be forced to confront his single mindedness and become a hero.

01-21-2023, 07:49 AM	#1
Paladin Have Zord, Will Travel Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: MI Posts: 5,510	Keiwa, the lowest-ranking member of the Desire Grand Prix, fights to save a group of children caught in the latest battle. Watch SuperHeroTime Via Livestream!! Check out episodes as they air on Saturday by heading over to Taima TV. They play other miscellaneous programs up until the live broadcast starts. Live Streams of the Superhero Time block now start at 8PM EST on Saturdays! __________________ TWITTER: Paladin4221 Check out my SALES THREAD Please! Every Little Bit Helps!

01-22-2023, 02:53 PM	#3
DreadBringer Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 1,110	None really problematic in this episode, but there's some personal disappointments. So there's a clear explanation on why Keiwa's so lucky. It was indicated before of Kekera giving secret missions appropriate for him, but now it's confirmed that he's the one who directly gave him Boost several times behind the scenes. Seems that while Game Master can't interfere with the game, the 'outside' party like fan/viewer/sponsor can? Kekera also doesn't seem to appreciate Keiwa's kindness (concerned for Jamatos) and trusting nature (Daichi's words), giving him a pep talk to be more suspicious of others instead. Which makes me wonder what does Kekera see in Keiwa, as obviously most people who like him would have his kindness as primary reason, or if Kekera is just assigned to support him. A̶l̶s̶o̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶u̶s̶u̶a̶l̶,̶ ̶a̶ ̶w̶a̶r̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶n̶o̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶e̶s̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶c̶e̶r̶t̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶c̶e̶s̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶K̶e̶k̶e̶r̶a̶'̶s̶ ̶m̶a̶t̶.̶.̶.̶.̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶S̶h̶o̶t̶a̶r̶o̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶g̶o̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶e̶n̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶w̶h̶e̶n̶ ̶T̶o̶k̶i̶m̶e̶ ̶g̶o̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶t̶o̶ ̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶b̶e̶d̶.̶ Michinaga's journey on the greenhouse turns out to involve more characters in the story than just him alone, like how it highlighted Niram and Samas' expected true nature, of how Niram only prioritized audience's reactions above everything else, which'd include killing off anyone who's still alive for 'realism' as humans shouldn't survive fatal injuries, while planning to revive Michinaga as a Jamato for audience's entertainment, and Samas being steadfast to help Niram's dirty work, with her possibly being 'inhuman' like Tsumuri to be strong enough to carry Michinaga's body back. Chirami also prioritizes audience entertainment. and his contrast to Girori is more highlighted here as the old-fashioned one, wonder how far Chirami can take his approach, especially with him turning the Riders against each other. and as usual, Archimedel had further creepy stuff by the Jamato baby's eyes. Michinaga also seemingly just heard all their conversations which can expect him planning something, likely the first time since eliminating Morio, and after he ignored his lesson of ignoring Ace's help to get him back on the game. It also provides the solution to clear Keiwa's name, as Ace informed to Keiwa that the dead Riders are truly gone with Michinaga as the sole exception, as Michinaga also learned from Archimedel. Something that Keiwa needs to know to clear his hesitation as the Jamatos only shapeshift into Riders. Overall this part also highlights on how Ace has been attached on Keiwa (outside of him not telling his true goals to him unlike Neon), with him still being helpful to spoil him with steak as 'supper' (celebrity life), and relaying those info to him, and later defending the canteen, albeit with likely some stealthy way such as voting him to further motivate him. Now I wonder if Ace'd let him in when he was there when Keiwa begged him to share a room with him. Ace's scene with Michinaga also emphasized that the hatred is more one sided in Michinaga's part, though Michinaga only gets an onigiri (appropriately a beef one, with Ace even bringing him up right after him and Keiwa talked about beef) unlike Keiwa's luxurious stuff. After some strange behavior to Keiwa in Divergence DGP lately, seems that Neon finally starts to speak up about Keiwa in honest way, of it being obvious that she'd describe Keiwa as kind to a fault, and that it makes sense for him to try being concerned about the Jamatos being connected to dead Riders, which makes him a trustworthy person in her eyes that she can't see as a Desire Star. Being honest also seems to have opposite effect to Neon going along with Sae's slapstick before, but instead Sae seeing her opinion as believable and later, seemingly warmed up to him a little like giving him Ninja Buckle back. Despite this though, I'd probably suspect her as the Desire Star here still due to her previous behavior to him, but still has her limits in this episode to finally stand up for him. Though the argument of her fumbling the ball may not apply anymore as she now performs well, like what actually Sae stated. Ofc Sae likely getting Neon on her side can be an argument for Sae being Desire Star as well. It's unknown what are the reguirements and the drawbacks of being Desire Star though like being required to cause some shit-stirring. Keiwa's cool moment here is shown by him being the one who almost single-handedly scored the goal in the tie-breaker game and raising his popularity status to 2nd behind Ace. It's pretty badass for him to be able to hold his own against multiple Jamatos while using entry form (so they made Tycoon caught up to Buffa in entry form feat too, perhaps Na-Go next), but yeah, turns out that the cool moment here is only about game performance, no trickery involved. It's true that it makes sense that his kindness would make others latch on him, and bail him out, but yeah I'd like for his tanuki aspect to also shine more here. Ace is overall the MVP of this episode with him being the one to score a double goal to force the game into a draw (and even then he can do that earlier), and the one who exposed Daichi's schemes by attacking the shapeshifting Jamatos, while convincing others that Daichi was the one seemingly more Desire Star-like in his behavior. So Keiwa's name being cleared was other's work with Keiwa just finishing the job, and he didn't learn anything about his trusting nature, unless it's subtle as shown in him voting Daichi too. And it's also unknown why he left out Command Twin Buckle, even if it gave the scene of entry form whooping ass. I actually expected Sae and Daichi, being the veterans who pose more of a challenge, to last longer than other extra DGP Riders, similar to the likes of Shibaura, Tezuka, or Tojo in Ryuki, but turns out they don't, or at least Daichi here as he's eliminated here, which kinda disappoints me, for the first time seeing an extra Rider being eliminated, as I'd like to see more of him based on my screentime expectation. And he's not the Desire Star, which I never thought he was anyway. He's an easy guess, thus he's a red herring. But it's also an irony that his shit-stirring behavior is what makes him look like an actual Desire Star, getting all other Riders vote him out at the end, even if he wasn't one, making his judgmental nature his downfall, as well as a mistake for him to openly accuse Keiwa. And I also called it that Daichi directed suspicion to Keiwa to eliminate his competitors, as it's stated the one with most votes will be eliminated regardless if they're Desire Star or not. __________________ The most complete non-wiki encyclopedias for Kamen Rider series (currently only found Ryuki and OOO's). Last edited by DreadBringer; 01-23-2023 at 10:07 AM..

01-22-2023, 05:44 PM	#4
Matrixbeast Stronger Than You Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: nyet Posts: 25,190	If Ace isn't the imposter, then I will be genuinely surprised. The first arc of the show was literally littered with "Don't trust Ace. He plays to win, not to be nice", in addition to Nadge-Sparrow being so obviously over-the-top two faced that he was audience bait. Anyway, it's nice to learn why a "Rare" item like Boost ended up in Keiwa's hands so often (Despite the fact that 9 times out of 10 he didn't even use it). I'm not a big fan of the audience being able to influence the games so heavily. Not only creating secret missions for the players to accomplish, but also being able to pick which item is granted. I initially considered the audience participation may be a post-Girori thing, but then I remembered frog man admitted that he's been supporting Keiwa like this from the get go. __________________

01-23-2023, 11:30 AM	#5
goseigold fencer of gold Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 229	Ok so I have 3 different theories about the desire star: 1. It's either Sae or Ace 2. The desire star doesn't even know they're filling that role 3. The game master is just messing with everyone for some unknown reason __________________

01-25-2023, 10:01 PM	#8
Daikaijuman54 Kaiju or Hero? Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Even I Don't Know Anymore. Posts: 1,245	Yes, I am still watching, but I've not been in a good place, so I haven't been talking much. But I must say, Geats has been consistently good and interesting so far, which is more than I can say for the previous Reiwa Riders. Also, Tycoon best boy. I do like the wolf and owl Riders, which is great since we get new Riders instead of recolors (when's the Black Bear Rider? Ha ha.). I feel like the Desaster/Desire Star (I don't know which to pick at this moment) might be Ace. Just a hunch, since I feel like it wouldn't be Lupo since she's new, and they'd likely pit it against the main three. And it looks like my boy Buffa's going to get a Lord Baron Arc. Next Episode: Anyone else thought of that guy from Bungo Stray Dogs with the Lemon Bombs, or is that just me? __________________ Project Aegis: Begin.